Fuller's about to get :pwned: again

[SABRSox]

Keith Olbermann draws more viewers than Bill O'Reilly.

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/msnbc/sample_sell_66709.asp

Maybe, just maybe the idea of adding Keith Olbermann to the NFL on NBC roster is paying off for his MSNBC show. Countdown was the number one show in all of cable news Friday night, in the 25-54 demo (live+ same day DVR). Olbermann's Friday night win comes after his Thursday night appearance during halftime of the Saints-Colts game. An estimated 16.5 million viewers (18-49) watched the game.

An NBC insider adds the big story here is that this is the first time Olbermann has beaten O'Reilly, not a substitute host, in the key demo. The insider adds, "KO has been trending in that direction for weeks."

[samram]

I think "drew" would be more appropriate than "draws." :shrug:

[Prope]

Who was the worst person in the NFL this week?

[maurice]

Who was the worst person in the NFL this week?

The Jets fans who cheered when Pennington limped off the field.

[Prope]

The Jets fans who cheered when Pennington limped off the field.
He could have done better.

In other news, O'Reilly is a mary.

[CaptainBallz]

He could have done better.

In other news, O'Reilly is a mary.

My thoughts on both counts, a double-ditto, if you will...

[Unregistered]

My thoughts on both counts, a double-ditto, if you will...

:doubledildo:?

[Prope]

You're a sick man Khakis

[Pick a name, Buddy]

Skrip, it gets stale having to do your homework for you.
You are so selective in the facts you choose to spin, much like your 3rd place hero.
Now the REAL story:

Wow, it's a first for TVNewser! TVN actually decided to print some honesty about Keith Olbermann's ratings-but not before running a glowing press release straight from the MSNBC PR department first:

MSNBC Delivers Strongest Growth of Any Cable News Net in Total Day and Primetime. Countdown with Keith Olbermann Maintains Momentum, Beating CNN at 8 PM in Total Viewers and A25-54; NBC's ratings growth continued this summer, as the network delivered the strongest growth of any cable news net in August in total day (M-Sun), weekday primetime (8-11 pm) and in sales primetime (M-Sun 7pm-2am) in both total viewers and the Adult 25-54 demographic, compared to August 06. "Countdown with Keith Olbermann" continued its success for the network, finishing #2 ahead of CNN at 8pm in both A25-54 and total viewers and up an astonishing 55 percent in the A25-54 demo and 67 percent in total viewers compared to last year. Countdown with Keith Olbermann (M-F 8pm) continues to gain traction, up an amazing 67 percent in total viewers versus last year (721,000 vs. 431,000) and up 55 percent in the A25-54 demo (259,000 vs. 167,000). "Countdown" beat CNN by a comfortable 17 percent in A25-54, and also enjoyed a three percent advantage in total viewers. Both CNN and FNC saw declines in the A25-54 demo at 8 p.m.


Something, God knows what, got into TVNewser however and they later decided to take a closer look at MSNBC's ratings claims. Here is the REAL story about the "success" of Keith Olbermann:

August Ratings: The 8pm Picture Keith Olbermann's year-to-year growth may be the story at MSNBC, but Countdown was still #3 at 8pmET. Even with CNN's hodge-podge of a schedule at 8 (Paula Zahn's last days, Out in the Open, CNN Special Reports, and an airing of Larry King) Olbermann trailed CNN in total viewers and the 25-54 demo.


But but but. . . didn't TVN run that first piece claiming what a "ratings success" Keith Olbermann was? That would be because MSNBC is using the numbers that are most flattering to their ego-inflated "star" which would be the Live Plus ratings, which are the same ratings that TVN posts on a near-daily basis, not the Live numbers which clearly do NOT favor Olbermann. How do we know this? Read on as TVN scrambles to explain:

These are Nielsen LIVE numbers only, so they do not include DVR data, which Countdown generally benefits from.


Here for the record are the REAL ratings for the 8pm hour in August.

FNC (O'Reilly): 2,096,000
CNN (Various): 727,000
MSNBC (Countdown): 638,000

And in oh-so-coveted "demo"?
FNC (O'Reilly): 420,000
CNN (Various): 242,000
MSNBC (Countdown): 218,000

But the question remains, why did TVN post the initial press release from MSNBC without bothering to clarify what ratings data set that MSNBC was using in calculating their misleading ratings claims? All networks use data that is most flattering to them of course but as a website that purports to cover TV News isn't it an obligation of TVN to do a little more than just run press releases? But we have to give them credit, this may well be the first time ever that TVN has decided to look beyond the press releases and more closely examine the true ratings story regarding the 8pm hour.

By the way, interesting discussion over at Inside Cable News (http://insidecable.blogsome.com/2007/08/28/august-numbers-top-25-demo-programs), who has a fine breakdown chart of the Top 25 programs in the "key demo" in the month of August which illustrates just how greatly breaking news stories (mine disaster, bridge disaster) boosted and skewered the ratings for August. Only 2 programs out of the Top 25 were regularly scheduled programs (and both were O'Reilly), the rest of the top 25 programs were all breaking news events. Did MSNBC calculate their ratings using these breaking news events? Who knows--it's not like anyone is going to actually question them, it's just easier to post their press releases. But one thing is for sure, MSNBC is clearly not the "go-to" network when breaking news happens. That honor belongs to Fox and CNN.

Keith Olbermann may well be MSNBC's choice as their "news" anchor but one thing is very certain, he's not the viewer's choice!

[SABRSox]

Now were arguing about whether or not a +DVR is a viewer. (It is, by the way.)

[Pick a name, Buddy]

Wrong again, Skrip. I, and most of my friends, record stuff that routinely gets deleted without being watched.

A recorded show is not a viewed show.

[cheeses_h_rice]

Nice cut & paste, Fuller Shitman:

http://www.olbermannwatch.com/archives/2007/08/tvnewser_tries.php

[Pick a name, Buddy]

But why am I debating this? I think O'Reilly is almost as much of an idiot as Keith Overbite!

Silly, huh?

[SABRSox]

And let me expand on this, because this is in my field. Live television, and live airings are quickly becoming a thing of the past. There is a huge shift in television, movies, music, etc. toward On Demand content. Viewers no longer want television networks to do the program scheduling. They strongly prefer dictating what they watch when they want to watch it. That is why you're seeing cable providers scrambling to upgrade their On Demand servers.

It is a huge hit, and it's all a result of the success of Tivo and other DVR's.

So when you dismiss the +DVR ratings, I take offense, because those people are still watching the program, they are simply doing it at a more convenient time to them.

[Pick a name, Buddy]

Nice cut & paste, Fuller Shitman:

http://www.olbermannwatch.com/archives/2007/08/tvnewser_tries.php

Sorry about that. I did a lot of editing in that post and I thought I had included that llinkage, but obviously I did not.

[CaptainBallz]

Nice cut & paste, Fuller Shitman:

http://www.olbermannwatch.com/archives/2007/08/tvnewser_tries.php

:rolling:


:PWNED:!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:nana:

[Pick a name, Buddy]

And let me expand on this, because this is in my field. Live television, and live airings are quickly becoming a thing of the past. There is a huge shift in television, movies, music, etc. toward On Demand content. Viewers no longer want television networks to do the programming. They strongly prefer dictating what they watch when they want to watch it. That is why you're seeing cable providers scrambling to upgrade their On Demand servers.

It is a huge hit, and it's all a result of the success of Tivo and other DVR's.

So when you dismiss the +DVR ratings, I take offense, because those people are still watching the program, they are simply doing it at a more convenient time to them.

I don't dismiss that out of hand. Do you watch everything on your DVR? If you do, you are clearly in the minority. But again I do not discount completely the importance of DVR. It was not my intent to offend you however...

[SABRSox]

I don't use my DVR much anymore. I'm an On Demand person now. I only use my DVR for programs not available On Demand, and which I personally record myself. I don't let the DVR do the auto record thing.

[Pick a name, Buddy]

I just think that when you look at the August ratings from Nielsen and then you say KO is #1, the math just isn't there. He is still in last place. I actually would be more curious about the 9pm numbers with Glenn Beck and Hannity & Colmes.

[SABRSox]

But like I said, Fuller, the Nielsen live ratings are antiquated, and this point are used only for advertising rates. To get a full picture on total viewership, the live+ ratings are far more accurate.

[Pick a name, Buddy]

I respectfully disagree. I think it is heading there relatively quickly, but we are not quite there yet. As far as the accuracy, I think you could flip a coin between the two, but that is just me thinking out loud, not based on any kind of research or anything...

I would like to try more of this On Demand. I haven't really used it because I am so accustomed to my DVRs, but it will be easier once they have everything available on OnDemand...

:rolling:


:PWNED:!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:nana:


Are you in the same grade as Spider_Pig? I think he is a senior...

Clearly, I need to go back to high school

[maurice]

At least one person watches probably about 90% of what I record on my DVR.

I can be sitting in front of live TV and watch a lower % than that, due to distractions like reading or conversating with you shitheads.

:shrug:

[Pick a name, Buddy]

I delete more than I watch. So many GB, so few hours. And the fall season hasn't even started up yet, where there will be more new shows to record and not watch...

[StockdaleforVeep]

Isnt sabr one who says the media cant be trusted? So why does he bother pointing out anything media related?

[Dan Mega]

So what you're saying is that one idiot host gets more idiot viewers than the other idiot host?