BEARS BEARS BEARS

[fquaye14ten]

beat them chargers

[JohnBasedowYoda]

we just got an antenna at work. shit looks HD-ready at best.

customers are scarce!! bears!

[fquaye14ten]

BEARS!

keys to the game:

-rex
-tommie harris
-adam archuleta
-cedric benson

my predictions:

rex is adequate.
harris is fucking badass
archuleta is above avg
benson is below avg

BEARS WIN

oh ps: another key:

urlacher on gates

prediction: gates gets shut down

[Palehose13]

What happened in the first 2 minutes?

[samram]

Sounds like a decent number of Bears' fans there.

[fquaye14ten]

NICE STOP.....bears take over.

sexy rex for mvp this year?

[samram]

MVP of Forever.

[JohnBasedowYoda]

What happened in the first 2 minutes?


chargers left the field after a 54 yard punt with no return

buck described hester as "the great"

[fquaye14ten]

man i tell you waht...college football has spoiled me. you actually get to watch like more than 5 minutes of football at a time without a 5 minute commercial break interrupting it

OUR FUCKING TACKLES ARE PATHETIC

[samram]

Nice pass protection there.

[fquaye14ten]

GIVE ME A BREAK

our tackles should be fired

[Palehose13]

Nice pass protection there.

No shit, but somehow I am sure it will be Rex's fault. :shrug:

[samram]

Fred Miller especially.

[fquaye14ten]

jesus christ...and where is "perennial pro bowler and team leader" olin kreutz to audible into a reasonable blocking coverage with shawn phillips completely unassigned

[samram]

No shit, but somehow I am sure it will be Rex's fault. :shrug:

That's right. He should've blocked that guy himself or something.

[fquaye14ten]

Fred Miller especially.

Tait's almost worse.

How many times was Rex completely blindsided last year?

there's that TE play eating us up again.

nice run defense!

[samram]

Tait's almost worse.

How many times was Rex completely blindsided last year?

That's Rex's responsibility to pick up guys he has no way of seeing and then to evade and make a perfect throw.

- gf2020

[fquaye14ten]

atta baby peanut

chargers already resorting to that cheap shit

"beautiful throw"
--joe "i must not watch much football" buck

[samram]

Rivers is throwing baloons, but Archuleta got burned.

[fquaye14ten]

nice fucking stick by hunter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Palehose13]

Nice tackle, Hunter!

[fquaye14ten]

hunter=breakout star of 2007?

[fquaye14ten]

good thing they measured :rolleyes: fucking gay ass refs

big big stop right here. let's go

[Palehose13]

Bear Down, D!!!

[fquaye14ten]

this bears thread is so magical that i am not subject to automerge.

fucking hell

[Palehose13]

damn

[samram]

Lucky motherfuckers.

Nice run D!

[fquaye14ten]

our run defense has been beautiful up to this point

big 3rd and 15 right here.

NO SIX POINTS PLEASE

[samram]

Nice play Briggs!

[fquaye14ten]

FUCK YES ALEX BROWN

[samram]

Awesomeness.

[Palehose13]

Nice defensive stand. Great series for Alex Brown.

[JohnBasedowYoda]

fuckin BLOCK!!!

[fquaye14ten]

not a good throw

yeah buck, jamal williams is the key to the SD defense :rolleyes:

impotent offense! yet again!

[samram]

So, basically if they blitz, the Bears strategy is to just let them run free towards Rex.

[fquaye14ten]

more or less. and this is different from 06 how?

we really need olsen back

ron turner is worthless. i truly believe this

[Palehose13]

So, basically if they blitz, the Bears strategy is to just let them run free towards Rex.

Sounds good to me. :omg:

[JohnBasedowYoda]

that BK commercial was crap

chat?

[samram]

more or less. and this is different from 06 how?

we really need olsen back

ron turner is worthless. i truly believe this

It's not different. I wish it were.

Yeah, Turner is free to leave whenever.

[samram]

Brownie!

[JohnBasedowYoda]

Mike Brown, stay healthy

[Palehose13]

We missed you Mike!!! Woo-hooo!

[fquaye14ten]

when healthy, our defense is a thing of beauty!!!

MIKE BROWN!

that BK commercial was crap

chat?

i'm in

seeya there

[Palehose13]

Ok, OFFENSE (not just Rex). Let's do something with it!

[GaelicSoxFan]

Of course, according to Troy Aikman, a pick is never the QB's fault.

[StockdaleforVeep]

Bearce Bearce Bearce Bearce

[GaelicSoxFan]

What is Rex gonna blame that fumble on this time?

[fquaye14ten]

keep :cry:ing gaelic fan. :rolleyes:

[StockdaleforVeep]

What is Rex gonna blame that fumble on this time?

http://cineminha.uol.com.br/AdvHTML_Upload/photos/Michael%20Madsen.jpg
"I lost it in the sun"

[Palehose13]

Of course, according to Troy Aikman, a pick is never the QB's fault.

I guess you didn't see Berrian pretty much give up on the route and start jogging.

What is Rex gonna blame that fumble on this time?

Probably himself. Maybe because I don't get Chicago TV/Radio, but I didn't think Rex was one to play the "blame game". :shrug:

Grossman isn't looking great, but San Diego does have a top rated defense.

[GaelicSoxFan]

keep :cry:ing gaelic fan. :rolleyes:
I got really tired of his excuses last year. This is his put up or shut up year.

[fquaye14ten]

what excuses? you're full of it

[samram]

I make more excuses for Rex than he does for himself.

[GaelicSoxFan]

what excuses? you're full of itDid you not listen to any of the postgame press conferences last year when he had a clunker? He kept paying lip service to the fans, saying "I'm working on it in practice". Well, we can't see what you do in practice.

[fquaye14ten]

that's an excuse?

you need to reevaluate your grasp of the english language

[samram]

Did you not listen to any of the postgame press conferences last year when he had a clunker? He kept paying lip service to the fans, saying "I'm working on it in practice". Well, we can't see what you do in practice.

No, an excuse is blaming someone else or saying you couldn't concentrate because your dog died. Saying you're working hard to improve is not an excuse.

[fquaye14ten]

^^^samram giving free lessons on the english language to those who sorely need it

[GaelicSoxFan]

OK, sorry, my bad.

I should've said I got tired of him paying lip service and I got tired of all the apologists making excuses for him.

[gbergman]

They got reffed. What a horrible no call by the side judge. Tommie Harris was on top of the center

[Palehose13]

They got reffed. What a horrible no call by the side judge. Tommie Harris was on top of the center

In slow motion, yes. However, I would like to see it again at regular speed. It would probably be a lot closer than most think.

[StockdaleforVeep]

^^^samram giving free lessons on the english language to those who sorely need it

quit acting like yer a fucking professor on this site, get over it prag

In slow motion, yes. However, I would like to see it again at regular speed. It would probably be a lot closer than most think.

i'll take it :D

[samram]

OK, sorry, my bad.

I should've said I got tired of him paying lip service and I got tired of all the apologists making excuses for him.

Ok, that's fair except I don't think it was just lip service.

Vasher!

How do you leave Gates that open?

[Palehose13]

i'll take it :D

I'm not complaining.

[samram]

Oh, c'mon.

[StockdaleforVeep]

and the chargers got that

nice punt defense kids....

[Palehose13]

Are you kidding me?!?!?!

Was that the same guy that did that last year?

[samram]

Nothing they could really do. I guess Devin could have come up and cleared traffic a bit, but that's just bad luck.

[StockdaleforVeep]

Are you kidding me?!?!?!

Was that the same guy that did that last year?

Did we have mcgowan last year?

[Palehose13]

Did we have mcgowan last year?

I have no idea. I just can't believe that i have seen that happen twice to a team in less than a year.

[samram]

Big break there.

I wish I had any confidence the Bears could score a touchdown.

[GaelicSoxFan]

They got reffed. What a horrible no call by the side judge. Tommie Harris was on top of the centerI thought the tight end flinched on that play. Someone's head on the offensive line moved anyway.

[samram]

Our RBs have been awful today.

[GaelicSoxFan]

Big suprise. Mike Brown dinged up.

[samram]

Wow, this game turned to shit fast.

[Palehose13]

Wow, this game turned to shit fast.

Sure did

[Dan Mega]

Too many damn turnovers.

[Palehose13]

It's about time Hester decided to return the ball.

Too many damn turnovers.

And the dangerous ones were not by the QB. :whistle:

[samram]

Knee sprain for Mike Brown. Figures.

[Prope]

Mike Brown is hurt. Can't remember the last time that happened.

[Palehose13]

Knee sprain for Mike Brown. Figures.

Does this take more than a week to heal?

Nice effort, Moose!

For fuck's sake. How can they not get 2 yards on 3 downs?

[GaelicSoxFan]

Knee sprain for Mike Brown. Figures.
If he ever gets a tattoo, it should read "Fragile: Handle With Care".

[Prope]

You've had some nice short passes, and you run the ball twice. :rolleyes:

Fucking Turner brothers.

[samram]

Ron Turner sucks. He should be fired immediately.

[Palehose13]

You've had some nice short passes, and you run the ball twice. :rolleyes:

Fucking Turner brothers.

Make it 3.

Fucker.

[zmz]

For fuck's sake. How can they not get 2 yards on 3 downs?

Cedric Benson is running the ball.

[GaelicSoxFan]

You've had some nice short passes, and you run the ball twice. :rolleyes:

Fucking Turner brothers.
How the hell does Norv keep getting head coaching jobs in the NFL?

[Prope]

How the hell does Norv keep getting head coaching jobs in the NFL?
Naked pictures.

[zmz]

Game over.

[Dan Mega]

The defense has done its damn job today. The offense has not. Time to put Orton in to lead this team to a comeback! :)

[IWMB]

shit, we suck again

[zmz]

Cedric Benson= Curtis Enis

[samram]

This was a winnable game. The running game just completely failed though.

[3D23]

A few random thoughts so far:

Our offense is ANEMIC. What the fuck? So many problems, and the Chargers defense is decent, but seriously, can ANYONE hold onto the ball?

Our defense is exhausted. While it might be a pretty little thought to think our defense can be our offense, when they are getting 10 minutes at best to catch their breath, and then back on the field? It is not going to work for four full quarters.

I don't think Grossman looks bad. His one interception was kind of his fault, but where the hell was Berrian on the route?

Special teams is not special.

Mike Brown, who didn't see this one coming? Yes, he is a great player, and a solid leader for this team but only when HE IS ON THE FIELD!

I am disgusted right now, and it would be great if the defense could pop off a play for 7, we are right back in it, but after the end of the half, I had a funny feeling we were going to lose this game. Here's hoping I am wrong.

The defense has done its damn job today. The offense has not. Time to put Orton in to lead this team to a comeback! :)

I really don't think you can pin this on Grossman. What did he do that leads you to believe that he isn't worthy of the starting job?

[StockdaleforVeep]

its not the offense, its fucking turnovers

[maurice]

The story of the game is turnovers.

The defense shut down Tomlinson. They played well and probably will continue to play well for the rest of the season, but the Bears can't win when the O and special teams don't even bother to show up on Sundays.

[gbergman]

Go Bolts!

[Dan Mega]

I really don't think you can pin this on Grossman. What did he do that leads you to believe that he isn't worthy of the starting job?

I wasn't serious. Grossman has looked horribly mediocre today though. But turnovers and the offensive line failing to create decent holes for the running game are the 2 biggest culprits so far.

[GaelicSoxFan]

I wasn't serious. Grossman has looked horribly mediocre today though. But turnovers and the offensive line failing to create decent holes for the running game are the 2 biggest culprits so far.I'm not pinning this one on Grossman either. It isn't his fault the RBs mistook axle grease for stick-um.

Why do I think Doug Buffone and Ed O'Bradovich will be in midseason form on the postgame show?

[3D23]

I miss Thomas Jones.

:cry:

[maurice]

If you think that Grossman played well today, you're grading on a ridiculous curve.

[GaelicSoxFan]

If you think that Grossman played well today, you're grading on a ridiculous curve.No, he didn't play well. But he wasn't what killed us today.

[3D23]

If you think that Grossman played well today, you're grading on a ridiculous curve.


I don't think anyone has said Grossman played well, I think it's just that there will be a whole new rallying cry for someone other than him to QB this team, but I think he did what was asked of him.

Offense needs a solid leader to fire them up. Is there anyone?

[Palehose13]

If you think that Grossman played well today, you're grading on a ridiculous curve.

I don't think anyone said that, but this one wasn't his fault. In fact, when it looked like he was getting into a rhythm, AP coughs it up and then the RB's couldn't get 2 yards on 3 downs.

The offense looked bad, but there are more people in front of Grossman who fingers should be pointed at, but I have a feeling most of Chicago will be blaming Rex.

[Dan Mega]

I miss Thomas Jones.

:cry:

He wouldn't have done anything behind this offensive line. He had a paltry 42 yards for the Jets.

[GaelicSoxFan]

Doug & O'B are in midseason form.

[samram]

I don't think anyone said that, but this one wasn't his fault. In fact, when it looked like he was getting into a rhythm, AP coughs it up and then the RB's couldn't get 2 yards on 3 downs.

The offense looked bad, but there are more people in front of Grossman who fingers should be pointed at, but I have a feeling most of Chicago will be blaming Rex.

Unfortunately, I agree.

Apparently, Dvoracek got hurt on a special teams play.

I miss Thomas Jones.

:cry:

Thomas Jones wouldn't have done anything against the Chargers' D.

[Palehose13]

I don't think anyone has said Grossman played well, I think it's just that there will be a whole new rallying cry for someone other than him to QB this team, but I think he did what was asked of him.

Offense needs a solid leader to fire them up. Is there anyone?

So what is it that anti-Rex people want? Someone serviceable who will not lose the game (Orton 2005) because that is what you got out of Grossman today, or a "leader" aka one who will take the game in his hands and has the ability to win or lose the game himself (Grossman 2006)?

[samram]

KC is in big trouble next Sunday. Well, probably every Sunday, but definitely next Sunday.

[Palehose13]

KC is in big trouble next Sunday. Well, probably every Sunday, but definitely next Sunday.

You got that right.

[Dan Mega]

So what is it that anti-Rex people want? Someone serviceable who will not lose the game (Orton 2005) because that is what you got out of Grossman today, or a "leader" aka one who will take the game in his hands and has the ability to win or lose the game himself (Grossman 2006)?

Again, and again, and again, nobody is blaming Rex for this. He is reason #4 or #5 why the Bears lost.

[maurice]

I wasn't talking about anybody here.

I was talking about Troy Aikman, who made some ridiculous comment right before I posted.

I already said that the loss was all about the turnovers.

[Palehose13]

Again, and again, and again, nobody is blaming Rex for this. He is reason #4 or #5 why the Bears lost.

Sounded like 3D was looking for a new QB or thought that people have a reason to look for one. :shrug:

[resistanceisfutile]

Christ, in a tight game you can't put up 4 turnovers and expect to win. The D was fantastic. Fuck SD.

[Dan Mega]

Sounded like 3D was looking for a new QB or thought that people have a reason to look for one. :shrug:

:hug:

[fquaye14ten]

If you think that Grossman played well today, you're grading on a ridiculous curve.

who on earth has made that claim?

typical lawyer...

[SABRSox]

To be fair about Mike Brown, he was horse collared to the ground, and it wasn't called.

And while Thomas Jones wouldn't have done anything against the Chargers' D today, Cedric Benson sure is showing he's not quite ready to be THE running back for the Bears. At least the one thing you could count on with Jones is that he'd hold onto the football.

I'm not sure what to think about the Bears so far. I'm really unimpressed with the running game, and I think that while Grossman got decent protection, he still can't/won't step up into the pocket or when he throws. He'd be way more accurate and powerful if he'd just step into them.

The defense was great, and simply got hung out to dry by the offense and special teams.

[afrigo1]

look at it this way...we lost and didn't score an offensive touchdown. just like New Orleans our offense looked weak. But at least we didn't give up 41 pts. I had to watch the game on my DVR cause i was busy all day, but god damn that was a weak game. by both teams. LT proves why hes an MVP

[Prope]

I'm not sure what to think of that fumble on the punt. Is that McGowan's fault, or should Hester have cleared the way??

Or is it nobody's fault?

[SABRSox]

I don't know why McGowan is still blocking there. Somebody needs to tell him to move his ass out of there.

The special teams just looks sloppy so far. And why is Manning running back kicks?

[Prope]

Manning is actually the fastest guy on the team.

[SABRSox]

No way is he faster than Hester. Not during gameplay, anyway.

[fquaye14ten]

I'm not sure what to think of that fumble on the punt. Is that McGowan's fault, or should Hester have cleared the way??

Or is it nobody's fault?

It's Hester's job, if he's not going to field the punt, to yell "POISON" or some other such thing to let his teammates know, for instance, NOT TO KEEP BLOCKING.

that is on Hester.

Way too many turnovers today. And what's up with some of those fair catches he pulled? We need him fielding punts, not fucking faircatching balls with no one within 7 yards

[Prope]

I only saw the fourth quarter.

[fquaye14ten]

No way is he faster than Hester. Not during gameplay, anyway.

hester's probably the 5th or 6th fastest guy on the team. I know Berrian AND Bradley are faster.

What makes hester such a great return man has little if anything to do with his 40 time and more to do with his unbelievable agility, excellent acceleration, and great field vision

To be fair about Mike Brown, he was horse collared to the ground, and it wasn't called.

And while Thomas Jones wouldn't have done anything against the Chargers' D today, Cedric Benson sure is showing he's not quite ready to be THE running back for the Bears. At least the one thing you could count on with Jones is that he'd hold onto the football.

that's pretty hasty. the coaches gave up on benson way too early, and peterson paid them back by fumbling almost immediately.


I'm not sure what to think about the Bears so far. I'm really unimpressed with the running game, and I think that while Grossman got decent protection, he still can't/won't step up into the pocket or when he throws. He'd be way more accurate and powerful if he'd just step into them.

The defense was great, and simply got hung out to dry by the offense and special teams.

how bout that mediocre d-line, sabr?

god they are fucking awesome, the heat they can put on the QB without even blitzing.

[samram]

Maybe Hester could have run up to where the ball was coming down and cleared traffic, but who knows how the ball would have bounced. Maybe it hits him instead. He seemed a little tentative to return anything today anyway.

[Prope]

No way is he faster than Hester. Not during gameplay, anyway.
Why because he has a 100 speed rating on Madden??

Even Devin Hester says Manning is faster. He said it on Boers and Bernstein a couple of weeks ago.

[maurice]

It's not that Hester did nothing. He was waving his arms and yelling whatever he's supposed to yell. He just wasn't doing it anywhere near where the ball landed, as samram pointed out.

who on earth has made that claim?
typical lawyer...

I answered this question before you posted it.

typical Wonger...

^ tag it

[fquaye14ten]

Maybe Hester could have run up to where the ball was coming down and cleared traffic, but who knows how the ball would have bounced. Maybe it hits him instead. He seemed a little tentative to return anything today anyway.

that's not what i mean. he needs to communicate to his teammates that teh ball will not be fielded

I answered this question before you posted it.

typical Wonger...

^ tag it

well don't be a douche with your posting :shrug:

[SABRSox]

Well, getting a chance to see the 1st team D-Line (finally) yeah, I'd say I underestimated them. Dvoracek, especially. He impressed today.

[SABRSox]

well don't be a douche with your posting :shrug:
http://www.flickclip.com/images/flickimages/lookwhostalking.jpg

[fquaye14ten]

:nod:

[samram]

Well, getting a chance to see the 1st team D-Line (finally) yeah, I'd say I underestimated them. Dvoracek, especially. He impressed today.

Is there any word on him? Buffone and O'Bradovich were saying on the postgame show that he hurt his knee on a kick return.

[SABRSox]

that's pretty hasty. the coaches gave up on benson way too early, and peterson paid them back by fumbling almost immediately.
Yeah, I don't know why Benson was sitting on the sidelines for that series where Peterson fumbled. I know Benson was, more or less, ineffective, but if you're going with the guy, you go with the guy.

I personally don't like Benson, but at this point, he's the guy that's got to be playing.

[maurice]

well don't be a douche with your posting :shrug:

SABR beat me to it, but I'll see his movie poster and add a
http://www.artandantiqueemporium.com/mirror/big-images/mirror_fretwork_english_looking-glass.png

[samram]

Apologies if it's already been posted, but apparently Mike Brown was almost in tears discussing his injury.

Link. (http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/cs-070909bearsbrown,1,3791041.story?coll=cs-home-headlines)

[SABRSox]

Lorenzo Neal fucking sucks.

[fquaye14ten]

SABR beat me to it, but I'll see his movie poster and add a
http://www.artandantiqueemporium.com/mirror/big-images/mirror_fretwork_english_looking-glass.png

all i meant was if you meant aikman, say aikman, you poopbrain

[samram]

Lorenzo Neal fucking sucks.

I didn't see a replay, but was it bad enough that Goodell could impose a suspension even though there wasn't a penalty? I know that's happened before.

[SABRSox]

Well, there should be something. A fine at least, it was a horse collar. And I was SHOCKED the referees didn't throw a flag. Even Neal knew what he did was illegal.

[fquaye14ten]

Well, there should be something. A fine at least, it was a horse collar. And I was SHOCKED the referees didn't throw a flag. Even Neal knew what he did was illegal.

you don't get fined for that.

it's bush league, but it's just the way it is. it was in the normal course of play and if he had been caught it would have just been a personal foul....so there's really no reason why Goodell would fine him...

[GaelicSoxFan]

you don't get fined for that.

it's bush league, but it's just the way it is. it was in the normal course of play and if he had been caught it would have just been a personal foul....so there's really no reason why Goodell would fine him......except for the fact that horsecollar tackles have been banned.

[Unregistered]

Again, and again, and again, nobody is blaming Rex for this. He is reason #4 or #5 why the Bears lost.

Yeah, lets not pretend like Rex did anything to silence his critics today.

[fquaye14ten]

sure. so are late hits out of bounds defensive holding...

i would be shocked if he gets fined

[SABRSox]

It's up to Goodell if he is fined. I doubt he gets fined too, though he should be fined, IMO.

[fquaye14ten]

i tend to agree, sabr.

it was a horseshit, bush league play and it will cost mike brown millions of dollars to miss those games due to injury, not to mention how the bears success as a team depends on brown's health.

he should be suspended, but he won't even be fined, in my best estimate

[SABRSox]

And the reason nothing will happen: no refs called a penalty. What in the hell were they looking at?

[1951Campbell]

It's Hester's job, if he's not going to field the punt, to yell "POISON" or some other such thing to let his teammates know, for instance, NOT TO KEEP BLOCKING.

that is on Hester.

Way too many turnovers today. And what's up with some of those fair catches he pulled? We need him fielding punts, not fucking faircatching balls with no one within 7 yards

Could've have been worse, they could have fielded punts like the Eagles did today. The Packers got a gift.

[samram]

Could've have been worse, they could have fielded punts like the Eagles did today. The Packers got a gift.

Yeah, and Eagles fans were happy to have someone other than Reno Mahe fielding punts this year. That Reed character is bad and Greg Lewis is a guy no Iggles fan wants on the team.

The good thing for the Bears is that the other two main NFC contenders are 0-1 as well.

[afrigo1]

remember when brad maynard was our MVP for like 5 seasons? We've come a long way since then and I have to say this game means literally nothing but an 0-1 record after week 1. They make the schedules like this so that the best teams play in week 1 and give great tv ratings. wouldve been grrrreat! to get a fucking TD tho. I'll wait til grossman plays like shit against a shit team and shit D before I jump on the Kyle Orton band wagon. we will see a shitstorm of offense next week tho. ne one going to the home opener?

[fquaye14ten]

He was tentative as a 15 year old giving a hand job today. Last year he went with everything sent his way for better or worse. But I think the play was just one of those freak things that's gonna happen every now and then in punts. I say it's a long shot that it could've went the other way.
\

it was definitely a freak occurence, but if you notice, hester was waving off the punt very early, but mcgowan kept blocking up till it hit him.

i fault hester for not being loud enough to let mcgowan know that he needs to get out of the way because he's not going to field the punt.

it's something you learn 1st thing in terms of punt return team--if the punt returner isn't going to field it he yells POISON and if you hear poison on the return team you get the fuck away from the ball

[MeanFish]

My thoughts on the game:

1.) Defense did a fantastic job against a great offense. Kept LT in check.
2.) Bad luck on the special teams play turnover. Not much you can really do there.
3.) I have absolutely no faith in Benson. He looks like he was capable of a power running game in college, but just is slow and big in the NFL where people are bigger and faster.
4.) Rex's fumble was lousy. When will he start protecting the ball? The INT was as much Berrian's fault as his. He looked sub-par but not awful today -- I liked his pocket presence in the second half when Merriman had him by the ankle. The pass fell way short, but he did a decent job of keeping his head.
5.) Ron Turner needs to let Rex unleash the dragon. All those runs up the middle were terribly uncreative and predictable, which is even worse considering that running up the middle was largely ineffective all day long. Turner was far and away the goat of the day.

I think I'm going to use a stopwatch next week when I watch the game -- I'm curious to see how long the o-line is holding before it breaks down. Four seconds is the accepted standard for what is acceptable, and today it felt like it was hitting that mark maybe one play out of every two.

Additionally, would it really kill us to run out of the shotgun in some obvious passing situations?

[samram]

When is anyone but me gonna figure out that Turner fucking blows giant donkey dick for breakfast?

Take a peak through this thread. I would say it's a consensus.

[fquaye14ten]

My thoughts on the game:

1.) Defense did a fantastic job against a great offense. Kept LT in check.
2.) Bad luck on the special teams play turnover. Not much you can really do there.
3.) I have absolutely no faith in Benson. He looks like he was capable of a power running game in college, but just is slow and big in the NFL where people are bigger and faster.
4.) Rex's fumble was lousy. When will he start protecting the ball? The INT was as much Berrian's fault as his. He looked sub-par but not awful today -- I liked his pocket presence in the second half when Merriman had him by the ankle. The pass fell way short, but he did a decent job of keeping his head.
5.) Ron Turner needs to let Rex unleash the dragon. All those runs up the middle were terribly uncreative and predictable, which is even worse considering that running up the middle was largely ineffective all day long. Turner was far and away the goat of the day.

I think I'm going to use a stopwatch next week when I watch the game -- I'm curious to see how long the o-line is holding before it breaks down. Four seconds is the accepted standard for what is acceptable, and today it felt like it was hitting that mark maybe one play out of every two.

Additionally, would it really kill us to run out of the shotgun in some obvious passing situations?

real good analysis. i take issue only with your assessment of benson

there were times when he looked below average, but many times when he looked really really good...

he just needs to get a feel for being the everydown back, and the coaching staff is not helping him out by

a.) running an uncreative offense (and i don't mean razzle dazzle, i just mean bland and predictable)

b.) taking him out of the fucking game after a fumble!

[afrigo1]

Turner blew dick at u of i and he sucks now. He is a terrible play caller for grossmans style and ability and theres no way we can win it all with him. this game was an obvious super bowl simulation and the offense played slow and unprepared for some really key moments. Turnovers and Turner are the goats of the game

[fquaye14ten]

Take a peak through this thread. I would say it's a consensus.

me and samram done BEEN talking bout dat

[SABRSox]

Eh... I don't think Benson will ever be a premier back, and that has nothing to do with the playcalling. While he's better suited than say Thomas Jones to run an up-down running game, he's got a big problem with fumbleitis, and he's not a guy that can simply overpower most NFL players. He can overpower some, and he's a good back to have, but he'd be much better suited in a situation like the Saints have, with Benson being the McAllister of the group, and some soft hands, quick cutting RB out of the backfield like Bush.

[MeanFish]

Turner blew dick at u of i and he sucks now. He is a terrible play caller for grossmans style and ability and theres no way we can win it all with him. this game was an obvious super bowl simulation and the offense played slow and unprepared for some really key moments. Turnovers and Turner are the goats of the game

There is a season Turn, Turn, Turn...

[afrigo1]

^^^
Definetly agree with that

and tommie harris is a freak

[MeanFish]

Eh... I don't think Benson will ever be a premier back, and that has nothing to do with the playcalling. While he's better suited than say Thomas Jones to run an up-down running game, he's got a big problem with fumbleitis, and he's not a guy that can simply overpower most NFL players. He can overpower some, and he's a good back to have, but he'd be much better suited in a situation like the Saints have, with Benson being the McAllister of the group, and some soft hands, quick cutting RB out of the backfield like Bush.

Garrett Wolfe can be that Bush-type character if needed.

[fquaye14ten]

i think people are being a little too critical of benson after one game....

i really think he's capable of being an NFL back. superstar? i doubt it. but he's already as good, if not better than, thomas jones.

unfortunately for benson jones was, like, a nice guy or something, and everyone likes to queen out about what a mean guy benson is...

:shrug:

[afrigo1]

special teams mishaps also hurt alot

[MeanFish]

i think people are being a little too critical of benson after one game....

i really think he's capable of being an NFL back. superstar? i doubt it. but he's already as good, if not better than, thomas jones.

unfortunately for benson jones was, like, a nice guy or something, and everyone likes to queen out about what a mean guy benson is...

:shrug:

The thing is, Jones was a home run threat, and he could do a decent amount with just a little bit of room if given the opportunity. Jones was good at being that type of back. Benson, on the other hand, is a steamroller. He's not a very good one though, which I base on the fact that he usually goes down quick when hit by a linebacker or lineman. He should be able to fight out more yards than he does after initial contact.

This would still be acceptable if Benson was a decent blocker in the backfield, or could wear a defense down over a full game without turning the ball over. But he isn't and he generally can't. So we have a a halfback who coughs up the ball, has below average speed, has above average strength, and can't pass block to save his life. Forgive me if I'm not thrilled about Cedric Benson.

[fquaye14ten]

bingo

The thing is, Jones was a home run threat, and he could do a decent amount with just a little bit of room if given the opportunity. Jones was good at being that type of back. Benson, on the other hand, is a steamroller. He's not a very good one though, which I base on the fact that he usually goes down quick when hit by a linebacker or lineman. He should be able to fight out more yards than he does after initial contact.

remember when jones and a-train were splitting time? who had more runs of 30 yards or more?

benson is going to be a much better back than jones when all is said and done....

ps: for a home run threat, jones sure seemed to hit a lot of infield singles./..


This would still be acceptable if Benson was a decent blocker in the backfield, or could wear a defense down over a full game without turning the ball over. But he isn't and he generally can't. So we have a a halfback who coughs up the ball, has below average speed, has above average strength, and can't pass block to save his life. Forgive me if I'm not thrilled about Cedric Benson.

that is his biggest problem is blocking in the backfield. i agree. it's unacceptable his shortcomings in this dpt.

[Dan Mega]

Wong is right.

I think I may have read once that Benson is actually faster than Jones. I could be wrong though :shrug:

[fquaye14ten]

cedric benson has been eating shit on the football scene

[SABRSox]

Wong is right.

I think I may have read once that Benson is actually faster than Jones. I could be wrong though :shrug:
What does it matter if he's faster? He doesn't have the lateral movement Jones had, and he certainly doesn't have Jones' pass-catching ability (though Benson really bailed Rex out on that 1-handed grab).

I don't even bother looking at it as an either-or situation. I'd prefer we still had them both. Benson, to me, isn't good enough to be THE back. He's better off in a 2 starting back situation, that's become more common these days in the NFL.

[fquaye14ten]

What does it matter if he's faster? He doesn't have the lateral movement Jones had, and he certainly doesn't have Jones' pass-catching ability (though Benson really bailed Rex out on that 1-handed grab).

you do realize how godawful jones was for his first 3 years in the NFL? he was with 2 different teams before the bears.

Benson has much better talent and instincts than Jones. It's just a matter of getting comfortable with the NFL speed. When Jones came to the Bears he was a 4th year veteran. The fact that we can even compare Benson to Jones at this points speak to how much better a football guy he is....

Benson will probably never be great, maybe never a pro bowler, but I'd bet dollars to donuts that if the staff gives him a chance he'll end up being a better back than Jones....hell...he outperformed Jones today.


I don't even bother looking at it as an either-or situation. I'd prefer we still had them both. Benson, to me, isn't good enough to be THE back. He's better off in a 2 starting back situation, that's become more common these days in the NFL.

it'd be nice to have them both, sure. but jones was a sissy runner afraid to pick up 2 or 3 extra yards by engaging the open-field tackler. Given the nature of our offense that is unacceptable.

[Unregistered]

real good analysis. i take issue only with your assessment of benson

there were times when he looked below average, but many times when he looked really really good...

he just needs to get a feel for being the everydown back, and the coaching staff is not helping him out by

a.) running an uncreative offense (and i don't mean razzle dazzle, i just mean bland and predictable)


I agree. Yeah, Benson had a tough fumble, but shit – up until that point, I thought he looked really good. A few great broken tackles and a couple nice catches mixed in with some solid running plays. I don't get all the hating. :shrug:

[fquaye14ten]

people want to hate him...largely because of the holdout and his attitude in interviews.

that's fine. chicago's a blue collar town and the fans here don't like black players who act entitled or cop and attitude (or, to a lesser extent, white players who do the same). sometimes that distorts their perception on talent and performance(hint hint: aaron rowand)

but the proof is in the pudding: benson didn't show me anything to suggest he's going to be a bust this year (as long as the coaching staff doesn't give up on him prematurely again).

[SABRSox]

Don't forget that 4th and 1 disaster from Benson. For a guy that's supposedly a bruiser, that was pretty pathetic.

[fquaye14ten]

Don't forget that 4th and 1 disaster from Benson. For a guy that's supposedly a bruiser, that was pretty pathetic.

you mean the play that was essentially the third halfback dive in a row? the one where they ran the exact same play after getting stuffed on 3rd down?

yeah...let's put that one on benson and not on turner

[SABRSox]

I agree, shitty playcalling, but still, it's only 1 fucking yard. That was always the knock on Jones. You can't just give Benson a pass on that.

[fquaye14ten]

This is the difference dude--one was a veteran FA pickup and one was a number one pick (:eek:). Since the former had a tad more success as the only one of the two to be given a starting role for an entire season, he's got to be better.

:jagoff:

Jones was a total pussy runner, and I'm not denigrating everything he did for the team overall in his time here. But Benson broke more first hits today than Jones has in his entire career I think.

i understand why the expectations are higher (although keep in mind that Jones was also a #1 pick for Arizona)....but the fact is, to act like Jones is just a better RB plain-and-simple than Benson is silly and to a certain extent, naive

I agree, shitty playcalling, but still, it's only 1 fucking yard. That was always the knock on Jones. You can't just give Benson a pass on that.

there were three linemen in the backfield. benson's a tough runner, but it's pretty hard to bust through three yards with three of the best defensive players in the NFL trying to stuff you in your own backfield

[fquaye14ten]

TURNER IS THE WORST OC IN JOHN SHOOP RELATED HISTORY!

[SABRSox]

Found this shitty one on a Bears forum:

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n145/nerrad13/3.jpg

[fquaye14ten]

that's a dope ass tag!

[fquaye14ten]

he does that all the time

it's like he's afraid to risk an interception

[fquaye14ten]

i love playing with a mentality of resignation to failure :rolleyes:

[Spider_Pig]

Just finished watching the game about twenty minutes ago. Very disappointing, but I can really not see too many problems. The defense was just amazing and Grossman played well enough to win it. I'm not saying he played well but he didn't make a lot of important mistakes. He made some great long throws but then the offense would stall because of poor running. I still think Benson will get better though, so I won't judge him too hard tonight. Playcalling needs to improve, or this will just get worse. :(

[fquaye14ten]

playcalling and stupid mistakes like fumbles and fumbles and more fumbles

[Spider_Pig]

That pretty much settled the game. You do just stupid stuff like that and you can't expect to win.

15-1 is a good record. :shrug:

[Unregistered]

Jeans gotta get working on a fire Turner thingamaschmoopie.

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x26/ballstein12/RTS.gif

:shrug:

[Spider_Pig]

I like. It says everything about his football intelligence.. And it applies to his everyday life.

[Bonzosa]

I disagree w/ your characterization of Benson today fquaye, I did not see anything that impressed me.
He was slow turning the corner on plays, and he completely lacks field vision. There were several occasions where Benson got the ball to run up the middle, I know, surprise right? Anyways, there were several times where he could have cut outside the pile where there was a complete logjam. Instead he chose to stay behind and lose yards. I don't understand that.
I said it before and I will say it again, I think Peterson is a better back than Benson and I thought he was better than Jones last year. Put him in and shove Benson in there for 4th and 1's, oh wait....
JK, but seriously, Peterson is more of a dynamic back when he has the ball in his hands.
I was pissed on that pass to Benson in the flat in the first half where he immediately ran towards the sideline rather than take it upfield, go hit somebody if you're gonna play the role of a bruiser...
The O-line, well it's been said in the thread and I agree, the blocking schemes were awful, how many times are we gonna invite someone off the edge into the backfield w/o a block. I think Benson blew an assignment back there too...

And the playcalling was awful. In the 4th, Grossman completed a few passes for first downs and then suddenly we went to all-run all the time. What's up w/ that?
I thought the goal was to keep the defense on their heels, but hey, maybe "run up the middle" is what we need when it was working all game :rolleyes: and we need to score points.



As far as Rex, he was not deplorable or anything, so that's good, since that's our standard of excellence with him.

[SFS04]

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x26/ballstein12/RTS.gif

:shrug:

Marry me?

[fquaye14ten]

I disagree w/ your characterization of Benson today fquaye, I did not see anything that impressed me.
He was slow turning the corner on plays, and he completely lacks field vision. There were several occasions where Benson got the ball to run up the middle, I know, surprise right? Anyways, there were several times where he could have cut outside the pile where there was a complete logjam. Instead he chose to stay behind and lose yards. I don't understand that.
I said it before and I will say it again, I think Peterson is a better back than Benson and I thought he was better than Jones last year. Put him in and shove Benson in there for 4th and 1's, oh wait....
JK, but seriously, Peterson is more of a dynamic back when he has the ball in his hands.
I was pissed on that pass to Benson in the flat in the first half where he immediately ran towards the sideline rather than take it upfield, go hit somebody if you're gonna play the role of a bruiser...
The O-line, well it's been said in the thread and I agree, the blocking schemes were awful, how many times are we gonna invite someone off the edge into the backfield w/o a block. I think Benson blew an assignment back there too...

And the playcalling was awful. In the 4th, Grossman completed a few passes for first downs and then suddenly we went to all-run all the time. What's up w/ that?
I thought the goal was to keep the defense on their heels, but hey, maybe "run up the middle" is what we need when it was working all game :rolleyes: and we need to score points.



As far as Rex, he was not deplorable or anything, so that's good, since that's our standard of excellence with him.

i guess we'll have to disagree on benson

i'm not saying it was an impressive effort--quite the opposite--but i saw a lot of things that impressed me. i saw him move the pile a number of times, including one time when he was all but swarmed and managed to pick up 5-6 additional yards after getting hit in the hole.

I also saw him make Shawne Merriman miss on a catch and run, and I saw him block slightly better than he did last year.

Overall, he could have turned in a much better effort, and needs to FUCKING HOLD ON TO THE BALL, but I don't agree with you if you say he looked overmatched and lost out there. Quite the opposite imo

[Bonzosa]

I don't think he looked pathetic or anything, but we will need more than 3 yards up the middle and the occasional 10 yard run in order for teams to respect the run.
Plus I think Benson will typically be more effective in the second half, after the D-line has been worn down a bit.
Benson is a fine back, I would rather have Peterson in there on first and 10 and Benson be the short yardage guy. I think that would give us the best of both worlds.
The playcalling on runs needs to be a bit more inventive, but that goes w/o saying.

[maurice]

Agree that Benson will be a fine NFL back. The problem is that there are plenty of much-lower-drafted guys, undrafted guys, and free agents who are "fine RB." You expect more from a very high draft pick.

[MeanFish]

The problem is that there are plenty of much-lower-drafted guys, undrafted guys, and free agents who are "fine RB." You expect more from a very high draft pick.

QFT

[fquaye14ten]

I don't think he looked pathetic or anything, but we will need more than 3 yards up the middle and the occasional 10 yard run in order for teams to respect the run.

i don't believe that to be true....i think as long as we're looking at 2nd and 6 or less more often than not, we'll be fine.

Agree that Benson will be a fine NFL back. The problem is that there are plenty of much-lower-drafted guys, undrafted guys, and free agents who are "fine RB." You expect more from a very high draft pick.

i agree, but we should be past the point where we're still worried about when he was taken in the draft. the issue here is

a.) what kind of back is he

b.) is he a better RB than thomas jones for us

i'm pretty sure, based on this game that the answers are

a.) he's a decent back now, in the future he will be an above average back

b.) he is a better option than jones

[Bonzosa]

Agree that Benson will be a fine NFL back. The problem is that there are plenty of much-lower-drafted guys, undrafted guys, and free agents who are "fine RB." You expect more from a very high draft pick.
Fine, but how does sorting that out help us prepare for week 2?

[SABRSox]

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x26/ballstein12/RTS.gif

:shrug:
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/8876/sackturnerdx2.gif

:owned:

[SFS04]

:rolling: x 1000

Both are amazing

[samram]

IAnd the playcalling was awful. In the 4th, Grossman completed a few passes for first downs and then suddenly we went to all-run all the time. What's up w/ that?
I thought the goal was to keep the defense on their heels, but hey, maybe "run up the middle" is what we need when it was working all game :rolleyes: and we need to score points.



As far as Rex, he was not deplorable or anything, so that's good, since that's our standard of excellence with him.

That was a turning point. It was still 7-3 and the Bears were moving. They had a second and 2 after a nice play by Moose and Turner decides it's time to reel things in and run up Ruben Brown's ass for the next 3 plays. Awful. I thought that would have been a great time to get Berrian down the field, but no.

Also, did Mark Bradley die?

[fquaye14ten]

i think he was in argentina, hiding out with hitler

[samram]

It seems like it's a trend against the elite teams to have a 'questionable' game plan, at least on the offensive side. They basically set themselves up to fail and pretty much let the other team win--Sand Diego, Indy, New England. They make no effort to make things happen and then the defense finally gives in because of wear, turnovers and short fields.

Maybe they're just not good enough on offense to succeed against a top defense.

I think both paragraphs have some truth. Turner should have opened things up yesterday when the O-line started providing protection, which was around the middle of the second quarter. There were openings in the deep middle and to only hit TE there once and to never try to hit Berrian or the perhaps vacationing Mark Bradley is just dumb (assuming Rex didn't just miss those chances, but that doesn't seem to be his style).

I hope the O-line is more effective against Dallas, which also plays a 3-4, albeit with far less talented players. The KC game should be an ass raping. They are god-awful.

[CaptainBallz]

^ TAG THOSE TURNER images

[infinite1]

Tag them now !!!!

[samram]

I think it should also be pointed out that good teams don't lose home openers very often. Indy, Dallas, Seattle, and of course San Diego all won. I expect the Bears, Eagles, Saints, and Patriots to do the same in their home openers.

[fquaye14ten]

it's not THAT we lost to the chargers

it's HOW we lost to the chargers

we had plenty of chances to put them away in the 1st half. it was like the super bowl all over again :(

[thewalkoffshot]

And it looks like Mike Brown could be out for the season. How is there not even a penalty called on that play?

[fquaye14ten]

the refs didn't see it :shrug:

[infinite1]

The refs missed alot yesterday.. The facemask, a few holds.. It was just a garbage game, and I will agree with Wong it was Superbowl all over again

[CaptainBallz]

there were refs at the game???

[infinite1]

I cant wait till next week when we redeem oursleves

[fquaye14ten]

don't vindicate the lurking gundamn

[CaptainBallz]

the issue here is

a.) what kind of back is he

b.) is he a better RB than thomas jones for us

i'm pretty sure, based on this game that the answers are

a.) he's a decent back now, in the future he will be an above average back

b.) he is a better option than jones

I wouldn't say yesterday proved that... While that's something that could be true later, it isn't a fact right now.

All I'll say is, Jones maybe tries to go around the pile on those shit running plays on 2nd, 3rd, and 4th down.

[fquaye14ten]

I wouldn't say yesterday proved that... While that's something that could be true later, it isn't a fact right now.

All I'll say is, Jones maybe tries to go around the pile on those shit running plays on 2nd, 3rd, and 4th down.

that's why i said i'm pretty sure

but still i'm pretty sure.

jones sucks

[fquaye14ten]

can we just agree that thomas jones is a hall of lamer

HOME RUN THREAT!!!!!!!!

[samram]

I think we need the Lewis Tillman/ Edgar Bennett combo back.

[infinite1]

I actually like the Benson, Peterson combo...

Benson is great when he heads right to the pile and runs guys over, and Peterson is a little more athletic and can move around a bit.. I still want to see the midget garret it.. He would help on screens with little short passes

[Dan Mega]

Anyway here is a semi cool Nike commercial

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[samram]

It's official: (http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d802385a8&template=with-video&confirm=true) Brown and Dvoracek out for the season. Awesome. I'm not worried about DT, but Manning better have his shit together this year.

[CaptainBallz]

Thanks. Seeing that commercial 150 times yesterday wasn't enough...




:cool:

[SABRSox]

It's official: (http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d802385a8&template=with-video&confirm=true) Brown and Dvoracek out for the season. Awesome. I'm not worried about DT, but Manning better have his shit together this year.
Well, that sucks. I really feel bad for Mike Brown, and I really hope the league goes after Lorenzo Neal.

Dvoracek's injury is all on the coaching staff.

[CaptainBallz]

They need to stop relying on Mike Brown. It sucks because he's awesome, but he's a Pods.

How/when did the Dvoracek injury happen?

[samram]

They need to stop relying on Mike Brown. It sucks because he's awesome, but he's a Pods.

How/when did the Dvoracek injury happen?

He got injured because the coaches decided he had to play on kick returns even though there were probably offensive linemen who did shit all day that could have been out there.

[SABRSox]

Mike Brown just has terrible luck. They banned those tackles for a reason, and even the best conditioned guys routinely get hurt on horse collars. And he was dominating in that game, too.

I really feel for him. What a shame.

[maurice]

It's official: (http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d802385a8&template=with-video&confirm=true) Brown and Dvoracek out for the season.

That sucks, but at least we have some depth at those positions.

Still, it doesn't help to start the season in a hole from an injury standpoint.

[Prope]

Fine, but how does sorting that out help us prepare for week 2?
Kansas City is perhaps the worst team in the NFL. If they can not beat the Chiefs, they do not deserve to be in the playoffs.

[gbergman]

KC is terrible I honestly believe they will have the first or second pick in the draft. They will be like last years Raiders good defense but terrible offense.

[Prope]

Mike Brown just has terrible luck. They banned those tackles for a reason, and even the best conditioned guys routinely get hurt on horse collars. And he was dominating in that game, too.

I really feel for him. What a shame.
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if he announces his retirement by the end of the season.

[resistanceisfutile]

Total bummer and definitely the worst part about losing yesterday.

[Bonzosa]

Kansas City is perhaps the worst team in the NFL. If they can not beat the Chiefs, they do not deserve to be in the playoffs.
Unfortunately, we will need more than 3 points against anyone we play in order to beat them.
The offense was pitiful.

They need to regroup, even if it is KC.

[fquaye14ten]

^^^way to oversimplify things

[Bonzosa]

Hey, I broke it down earlier in the thread, I am keeping my defensive squibs curt.
:thumbsup:

Shit, I mean people are turning off the KC game before it even happens.
Anything is possible w/ these Bears. I don't assume that we will spank KC considering our offense has yet to fire on all cylinders. I'll be sold when I see it.

I should've been born in the "show me state"

[fquaye14ten]

we lost to one of the best 3 teams in football by 11 on the road

i think it's pretty safe to feel pretty damn confident against one of the two worst at home

[Bonzosa]

I feel good about beating KC, I think we will win too.
But how can one feel good about our offense?
Again, 4 TO and 3 points.
Woohoo!

[fquaye14ten]

try blaming it on rex. it'll make you feel good :shrug:

[Bonzosa]

try blaming it on rex. it'll make you feel good :shrug:
I said I would give Rex some time, and I will.
Let's revisit this topic after game 6.