progression of mainstream "black music"

[JohnBasedowYoda]

In the 60s and 70s we had motown which fucking rules.

How did that die out and hip hop and rap take over?

Motown=great jams and timeless to say the least

rap=forgettable lyrics and horribly degenerate attitude towards women and life

[SFS04]

Motown, some great stuff.

I'm going to Motor City hopefully this fall myself.

[SoxFan76]

It will fade. The suburban white kids jumped all over it to rebel against their parents, but now I've noticed (in my experiences) that the white community has distanced itself from rap.

Maybe it's just my generation since as I get older fewer and fewer people my age listen to rap. In 6th grade (97-98) rap was huge. High school it was big with the minorities and the white trash kids. College it kinda disappeared. You only heard it at dance parties.

[SFS04]

You were in 6th grade in 97-98 :omg: wow I'm feeling old, that was the yr before I graduated.

I still listen to rap :shrug:

[JohnBasedowYoda]

I'm talking about negros not suburban white kids

[SoxFan76]

Ahh, I gotcha.

I don't know....black music in the 50s, 60s, and most of the stuff from the 70s was fantastic. Just great all around music. Then came gangsta rap...

Even the non rappers like Brian McKnight, etc., can't compare to motown.

[JohnBasedowYoda]

Even the audio quality of motown is fucking awesome

[SoxFan76]

While it can definitely be disputed, rock and roll is kind of a mix of blues and country. I don't know if you could call it a black genre.

Blues, yeah obviously.

[Unregistered]

Where's fquaye when you really need him?

[SoxFan76]

fquaye:

You are all idiots! Rap is the best era of black music! You know why? Because I like it, that's why.

[JohnBasedowYoda]

Rock and roll is "black music." :shrug:

Blues is "negro music." :shrug: :shrug:


You don't see dudes pushin da escalade jamming to the yardbirds or even electric blues.

"Mainstream"

[JohnBasedowYoda]

I'm just saying, the progression of black music starts with blues, at least popular music as we know it today.


I'm talkin about the buil up from the early days of blues and rock to motown and the backwards quantum leap (heap?) to current day stuff.

[CaptainBallz]

In the 60s and 70s we had motown which fucking rules.

How did that die out and hip hop and rap take over?

Motown=great jams and timeless to say the least

rap=forgettable lyrics and horribly degenerate attitude towards women and life

You'll never find a satisfactory answer as long as you paint rap with such a large, shit-covered brush.
Yes, there's a shit ton of garbage rap that is pushed by the music industry. This is not actually what rap is nor is it truly what hip-hop is or was at its outset. There is a natural flow of innovation stemming from early rural blues to R&B to motown to soul to hip hop.

You can have the same objections about mainstream punk if you wanted-- simply for its a-punkness.

[JohnBasedowYoda]

and my case crumbles like a house of cards.

[fquaye14ten]

fquaye:

You are all idiots! Rap is the best era of black music! You know why? Because I like it, that's why.

um what?

a.) I never said rap is the best music blacks have done. I think the motown era stuff and the late 40's early 50's blues is the best, to say nothing of ragtime and jazz

b.) I gave a very well defended, carefully thought out defense at why rap is legitimate music. You're the fucking cockslapper who said "rap's bad because it's stupid and I only like 2 songs"

this was your worst post in the history of this board, Loftus. Get with the program

You'll never find a satisfactory answer as long as you paint rap with such a large, shit-covered brush.
Yes, there's a shit ton of garbage rap that is pushed by the music industry. This is not actually what rap is nor is it truly what hip-hop is or was at its outset. There is a natural flow of innovation stemming from early rural blues to R&B to motown to soul to hip hop.

You can have the same objections about mainstream punk if you wanted-- simply for its a-punkness.

The new UGK album (despite what I just said about rap not being the greatest movement in black music) is the apex and culmination of black music

BUY IT NOW



Maybe it's just my generation since as I get older fewer and fewer people my age listen to rap. In 6th grade (97-98) rap was huge. High school it was big with the minorities and the white trash kids. College it kinda disappeared. You only heard it at dance parties.

Gee--I wonder why that is? maybe because rap, like punk rock, is more youth-oriented than other genres of music :rolleyes:

But yeah...rap is on the way out after 30 years.... :rolleyes:

[CaptainBallz]

I haven't listened to ugly Kid Joe since 8th grade

[SoxFan76]

Wong, you're easier to rile up than me! That was too easy man. I'm just bustin balls. :laff:

30 years? I don't know about that. Rap only really became big around the gangster rap stage. That was early 90s. Rap's been around for longer, sure. But it was never big outside of poor black communities.

[CaptainBallz]

30 years? I don't know about that. Rap only really became big around the gangster rap stage. That was early 90s. Rap's been around for longer, sure. But it was never big outside of poor black communities.

:confused:

so wrong, it's obscene..


http://img.timeinc.net/time/daily/special/photo/hiphop/3.jpg

"word!"

[SoxFan76]

:shrug: Couldn't tell you who that is.

[Pick a name, Buddy]

I despise rap. Almost as much as country. The best black music was in the 70s with Motown and then as it evolved into disco. Once disco died, black music sort of lost its' identity in a vague "R&B" category until rap came along. Oddly enough, my favourite black artist/poet is Gil Scott-Heron, widely viewed as the grandfather of rap.

[JohnBasedowYoda]

Schettman is cool enough to contradict himself.

[CaptainBallz]

^ LOL @ yoda



and soxfan.. please leave the thread. seriously

[fquaye14ten]

:confused:

so wrong, it's obscene..


http://img.timeinc.net/time/daily/special/photo/hiphop/3.jpg

"word!"

say word darrel mcdaniels

[SoxFan76]

I wasn't raised on rap. Growing up we'd turn on BET and I thought it was a joke. Seriously. I thought that until I got a little older, like 4th or 5th grade, and I saw people actually liked rap. :omg:

[fquaye14ten]

The 80s rappers kind of rode the heels of rock and rollers to break into the mainstream. And the rest didn't exactly explode or anything. I think Loftus is right in that rap first really took off, and on its own merit, around the 1989-1991 era.

that's a pretty simplistic way to look at it :rolleyes:

walk this way was, what? 1985? Licensed to Ill was 1986? LL Cool J had a ton of mainstream hits in the mid 80's

but ok dude :rolleyes:

I wasn't raised on rap. Growing up we'd turn on BET and I thought it was a joke. Seriously. I thought that until I got a little older, like 4th or 5th grade, and I saw people actually liked rap. :omg:

here's the pulse


here's your finger, far from the pulse, jammed up your own ass (want a pretzel?)

[SoxFan76]

Call me crazy, but it hasn't been since the last few years that we started hearing about how "legendary" old school rap is. The sad part is that "old school" refers to fucking 1985!!!!

When I was in grade school I never heard about that shit. All I heard about was Puff Daddy, Biggy, and Coolio. That was it. My point is rap didn't really TAKE OFF until gangsta rap.

Everyone knows there were hits in the 80s. Rappers Delight and Run's shitty remake of Walk This Way with Aerosmith...and I don't know what else. That's all I know of. If someone denies that then they're dumb. But rap didn't TAKE OFF, in my opinion, until guys like Ice T, NWA, and Coolio.

[CaptainBallz]

The 80s rappers kind of rode the heels of rock and rollers to break into the mainstream. And the rest didn't exactly explode or anything. I think Loftus is right in that rap first really took off, and on its own merit, around the 1989-1991 era.

If you mean when did the white kids really start to pay attention to it, then yeah, we can go to NWA and after.

But if you're saying that THAT is when rap gained merit as a musical/ cultural force, that would be wrong.

I think that, like Wong was saying, rap isn't going to disappear all of a sudden after 30 years just because stupid crackers stop paying attention to it. It's bigger than that.

[Pick a name, Buddy]

Schettman is cool enough to contradict himself.

I am a walking oxymoron...

[CaptainBallz]

-oxy

[fquaye14ten]

Call me crazy, but it hasn't been since the last few years that we started hearing about how "legendary" old school rap is. The sad part is that "old school" refers to fucking 1985!!!!

When I was in grade school I never heard about that shit. All I heard about was Puff Daddy, Biggy, and Coolio. That was it. My point is rap didn't really TAKE OFF until gangsta rap.

Everyone knows there were hits in the 80s. Rappers Delight and Run's shitty remake of Walk This Way with Aerosmith...and I don't know what else. That's all I know of. If someone denies that then they're dumb. But rap didn't TAKE OFF, in my opinion, until guys like Ice T, NWA, and Coolio.

that's when it became hugely famous. so what? that's like discounting Buddy Holly and Chuck Berry as being relegated to the pre-rock and roll days.

which is stupid

and....ice T?

lol...what the fuck are you on. ice T was never huge

[Pick a name, Buddy]

-oxy


Ok, that hurts. And to think I was just about to give you mad propz.

[CaptainBallz]

BODY COUNT NIGGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok, that hurts. And to think I was just about to give you mad propz.

the shot was there... I had to take it... :shrug:

nothin personal.

now give me propz,,,

[fquaye14ten]

i heard payback's a motherfuckin' nigga--that's why i'm sick of being treated like a goddamned stepchild!

i really think amerikkka's most wanted deserves to be mentioned as a top 50 album of all time

[fquaye14ten]

no....but the point is it was still largely popular.

beastie boys, elvis's or not, were still multi-plat

russell simmons was already a multimillionaire off rap by 1988

ps: once upon a time in the projects, yo

i damn near had to wreck a ho

[fquaye14ten]

Simmons was a huge rap mogul, of course he made millions but that doesn't mean rap was taking the country by storm. And the Beastie Boys were just as much rock as they were rap in those days. And they're fucking white and so are their fans.

Weak examples. Come stronger next time.

not at all weak examples. more like you don't know shit about non 70's classic rock music, so you have no basis for arguing this

how do you think simmons became a rap mogul? You can't be a rap mogul unless there's a huge market for rap music.....you piece of shit

[CaptainBallz]

Yeah, but "stupid crackers" comprise most of the country. That is kind of a key demographic for mainstream success.

I didn't say rap was nothing until Public Enemy guys..

stupid people = mainstream/ mainstream = stupid people...

the point remains that rap has been a cultural force since the early/mid 80's and has its roots pretty firmly set. So to try and diminish it as soxfan was tring to do because it only became hugely popular in the early 90's, therefore making it less culturally ingrained, is naive to say the least.
And hell, even from 1991 makes it a mainstream cultural force for 16 years!!

And throughout that 16 years, there's been smarter rap folks bitching about the gangsta/thug/bitches and hos bullshit.

[SoxFan76]

quaye, your act is tired and played out.

Rap sucks. I'm going home. If you're lucky, I'll post from home. Although it's not likely.

[fquaye14ten]

^^^bingo.

Furthermore, it still has been a mainstream force for over 20 years, anyway..... since at least 1985

but whatever :rolleyes: whether it was a cultural force doesn't matter in terms of quality. it's not like indie rock wouldn't have been good if it never was coopted by the oc.....its quality would stand on its own terms

rap is quality whether it's marketable or not...

^^^at ballz

quaye, your act is tired and played out.

Rap sucks. I'm going home. If you're lucky, I'll post from home. Although it's not likely.

what act, you living piece of shit?

i'm explaining to your retarded ass what everyone else in the world knows:

whether you like rap or not has no bearing on whether it's good or not

ps: if you never posted again, i'm sure no one would notice. things were pretty decent this past week with you and spiewak gone

I've argued this to the extent of my knowledge on this very general subject and I've made all true statements.

The point on Simmons is it doesn't take Garth Brooks-like record sales to become a millionaire. And my original point was that rap didn't explode until gangster rap came about. That's not perception that's just a fucking fact. Sorry you and Michael Bolton Ballz get huffy about it. I never said rap wasn't good until whitey started to notice it.

sure it didn't explode. so? we're no talking about "Explosions" we're talking about commercial viability

[CaptainBallz]

I've argued this to the extent of my knowledge on this very general subject and I've made all true statements.

The point on Simmons is it doesn't take Garth Brooks-like record sales to become a millionaire. And my original point was that rap didn't explode until gangster rap came about. That's not perception that's just a fucking fact. Sorry you and Michael Bolton Ballz get huffy about it. I never said rap wasn't good until whitey started to notice it.

Sleep with one eye open, pussypants...

[Pick a name, Buddy]

BODY COUNT NIGGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



the shot was there... I had to take it... :shrug:

nothin personal.

now give me propz,,,

I'll give you propz, but they will now be lukewarm.

Begin propz:

Yeah, so CaptainBallz? I'll tell you what: of all the posters on the SAC, he is definitely one of them!

[Prope]

I don't like how part of that post resembled my user name

[CaptainBallz]

Propez!!!

[fquaye14ten]

That's precisely what I was talking about when you snidely dismissed it, now you agree. So slow the fuck down and read better or something.

i wasn't really disagreeing with you. my issue was with loftus's retarded ravings, cuntsack

[StockdaleforVeep]

As with most things, blame the 70s

[fquaye14ten]

as with most things, spiewak hasn't a clue because he's fundamentally retarded

[Prope]

Stockdale Bashing, FTW

[fquaye14ten]

you kind of butted into another person's discussion and threw up a nonsequitir

congrats

[CaptainBallz]

So basically I pwned quaye and ballz in a rap thread. That's like Joosh pwning me in a thread about girls.

What in god's fucking name are you talking about???!?! You numbnuts don't even have a point... We all know when rap BLOWED UP!!!! But that has little to nothing to do with anything discussed previously in the thread.

you do realize you are on the side of a guy that doesn't even recognize Run DMC and most likely Stockdale...

Good company there, pizzozo...

[StockdaleforVeep]

as with most things, spiewak hasn't a clue because he's fundamentally retarded

quaye=http://www.international.ucla.edu/cms/images/jin_ny.jpg

[CaptainBallz]

Wong vs. Black Zoso
P1uPaObnkpI

[StockdaleforVeep]

Wong vs. Black Zoso
P1uPaObnkpI

...and that is supposed to be music?

The fucking diarrhea i am letting lose now has more music cohesion

[CaptainBallz]

For the record: black zoso got pwned

[fquaye14ten]

i underestimated how retarded you are spiewak

you are like corky on life goes on retarded

[fquaye14ten]

jin the mc pwned a lot of blacks in battle

nevertheless i'll kill all of you

especially the members of the jury

[fquaye14ten]

that's just, like, your opinion, man

[fquaye14ten]

always pinching my belly to hear my squeal

[Prope]

I have enjoyed this thread.

I'd like to thank all parties involved.

[Unregistered]

:lovethread:

This thread has made me literally LOL on more than 3 occasions. Well played, everybody.

Especially that caustic fucker, CW.

[Prope]

I'm at my fifth LOL, not counting the pic of Bill Cosby from Khakis.

[soxwon]

I was on the Redline leaving the sox game recently.
There was a crew of 4 or 5 young (20's) black kids
They were doing shoutouts for various things.
Shoutout for Sox Tshirts, Shoutout for Big Booties etc.
I added lets here it for Arsenio Hall, and they all looked at me and said "WHO"
these kids didnt know Arsenio !!

[CaptainBallz]

First thing when I meet Captain Ballz I'm punching him in the back of the face.

find it first, shaq.

[getonbckthr]

ggjoSmSp4XU

[gbergman]

Rap is good some of the time

[fquaye14ten]

there's just one thing that i hate, cuz it's a bunch of crap:

Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii hate rap

[SoxFan76]

CW, man you gotta calm down. Here's a life lesson: people are going to disagree with you. That doesn't mean you have to insult them constantly.

My main point was rap didn't really blow up until gangster rap. Zoso comes in and agrees with me, yet you jump all over me. When I say rap sucks, that's my opinion. You don't need to throw a little girl fit every time I say it.

Grow a pair, man.

[fquaye14ten]

are you still talking?

christ...haven't you realized that your opinions are generally utterly laughable?

and yet you still get all self-righteous about them. congratulations. you're passing from "teased for being a bro" to "acting like an actual bro" with every obnoxiously retarded post you make...

[SoxFan76]

Well CW, you say everything I say is a joke and laughable. Let's go back to my posts in this discussion. Here's page 1:

Ahh, I gotcha.

I don't know....black music in the 50s, 60s, and most of the stuff from the 70s was fantastic. Just great all around music. Then came gangsta rap...

Even the non rappers like Brian McKnight, etc., can't compare to motown.

You want to tell me gansta rap/80s rap is better in a musical sense than motown/blues/etc?

While it can definitely be disputed, rock and roll is kind of a mix of blues and country. I don't know if you could call it a black genre.

Blues, yeah obviously.

Doesn't really apply to our conversation right now.

fquaye:

You are all idiots! Rap is the best era of black music! You know why? Because I like it, that's why.

:rolling: :rolling: Well you did freak out because I said I don't like rap, I had that much right. :laff:

Wong, you're easier to rile up than me! That was too easy man. I'm just bustin balls. :laff:

30 years? I don't know about that. Rap only really became big around the gangster rap stage. That was early 90s. Rap's been around for longer, sure. But it was never big outside of poor black communities.

First part: QFT. Second part, this is where we begin. Rap did not blow up until gangster rap with guys like NWA and Coolio. Even MC Hammer went gangster, remember that? haha

Where exactly am I so unbelievably wrong and misguided here?

I wasn't raised on rap. Growing up we'd turn on BET and I thought it was a joke. Seriously. I thought that until I got a little older, like 4th or 5th grade, and I saw people actually liked rap. :omg:

True story. I can't believe rap became popular. :laff:

Call me crazy, but it hasn't been since the last few years that we started hearing about how "legendary" old school rap is. The sad part is that "old school" refers to fucking 1985!!!!

When I was in grade school I never heard about that shit. All I heard about was Puff Daddy, Biggy, and Coolio. That was it. My point is rap didn't really TAKE OFF until gangsta rap.

Everyone knows there were hits in the 80s. Rappers Delight and Run's shitty remake of Walk This Way with Aerosmith...and I don't know what else. That's all I know of. If someone denies that then they're dumb. But rap didn't TAKE OFF, in my opinion, until guys like Ice T, NWA, and Coolio.

Yep, I stand by those statements.

[fquaye14ten]

when did i say rap was better than those forms of music?

when did anyone?

all me and ballz said was that your constant ripping of rap music is uninformed and obnoxious

and furthermore your bullshit about rap not blowing up until NWA (no one on earth is trying to dispute that) has nothing to do with the fact that rap HAS been around for nearly 30 years. Even if it did, keep in mind that NWA was TWENTY YEARS AGO :rolleyes:

[SoxFan76]

quaye, your act is tired and played out.

Rap sucks. I'm going home. If you're lucky, I'll post from home. Although it's not likely.

:rolling: I said that before I left work because I knew when I came in this morning you'd go in a big tirade. Wong, it's too easy, I swear.

That's pretty much all I said in this conversation.

I never heard of NWA until about 93.

You never said anything about rap being better than motown, but you stated all my opinions are wrong (note the irony) and laughable. So I quoted all my posts in this thread.

My ripping of rap music is due to the ridiculous lyrics, lack of any real instruments, and lack of any vocal talent. It's a disgrace and embarassment to real musicians.

[fquaye14ten]

:rolling: I said that before I left work because I knew when I came in this morning you'd go in a big tirade. Wong, it's too easy, I swear.

That's pretty much all I said in this conversation.

I never heard of NWA until about 93.

You never said anything about rap being better than motown, but you stated all my opinions are wrong (note the irony) and laughable. So I quoted all my posts in this thread.

I have never and will never say anyone's opinions are wrong. There's no such thing as opinions that are wrong.

There are such thing as opinions founded on a fundamental lack of knowledge, and you have them in spades (no pun intended)

You keep dropping irrelevant information about your personal life in this discussion. Does anyone care that you never heard of NWA until 93? You were, like, 7 then. Did anyone really think you'd have heard of them in 1988 when they became huge, when you were fucking 3 or whatever? And even if you were 15 in 1988 and hadn't heard of them, personally, that didnt' mean that Straight Outta Compton wasn't an immensely huge record.

What is your malfunction? Are you honestly this stupid, or are you just typing so fast that you don't have time to think about what it is you're typing?


My ripping of rap music is due to the ridiculous lyrics, lack of any real instruments, and lack of any vocal talent. It's a disgrace and embarassment to real musicians.

Once again, you display your fundamental lack of knowledge. If you had mentioned certain rappers and said you didn't like THEM for that reason, I would disagree, but it woudln't be a roundly ignorant and stupid statement. But to claim that RAP as a WHOLE suffers from this problem is borderline retarded and emblematic of the idiocy of your posts in general

[SoxFan76]

Once again, you display your fundamental lack of knowledge. If you had mentioned certain rappers and said you didn't like THEM for that reason, I would disagree, but it woudln't be a roundly ignorant and stupid statement. But to claim that RAP as a WHOLE suffers from this problem is borderline retarded and emblematic of the idiocy of your posts in general

I know what you mean and I expected this response. I'm basing my opinion off of what rap music has been for 15 years now: the gangster rap era.

Unintelligent lyrics written by thugs who talk like they got marbles in their mouths accompanied by unoriginal beats because 1 out of 3 fucking rap songs now samples someone else's song. And guess who they sample 90% of the time: rock musicians! I mean someone sampled Crazy Train recently for crying out loud.

If you want to get technical and start spitting out all these underground rappers who are "loyal to the genre" or whatever, I don't care. Nobody cares about them or they'd be more famous. And I don't mean record sales determine if you're good or not, but if you're not known at all then you must not be that good. In the 21st century with file sharing and online music, it's pretty hard NOT to get your name out there. So they can't use that excuse either.

So let's summarize here: 80's rap -- I don't like it. 90's/2000's rap: sucks.

Note the BIG differences between "I don't like it" and "it sucks"

[CaptainBallz]

If you want to get technical and start spitting out all these underground rappers who are "loyal to the genre" or whatever, I don't care. Nobody cares about them or they'd be more famous. And I don't mean record sales determine if you're good or not, but if you're not known at all then you must not be that good.


Wow... you have absolutely no idea how music works.
Quit talking about it and go listen to 3 Doors Down.. They're huge and widely popular.. therefore AWESOME!:rolleyes:

[fquaye14ten]

I know what you mean and I expected this response. I'm basing my opinion off of what rap music has been for 15 years now: the gangster rap era.

Unintelligent lyrics written by thugs who talk like they got marbles in their mouths accompanied by unoriginal beats because 1 out of 3 fucking rap songs now samples someone else's song. And guess who they sample 90% of the time: rock musicians! I mean someone sampled Crazy Train recently for crying out loud.

you're not being any less ignorant by saying this. Ok--you don't like Trick Daddy's "Let's Go." Fine. I don't particularly love that song. That doesn't say anything about rap as a whole.


If you want to get technical and start spitting out all these underground rappers who are "loyal to the genre" or whatever, I don't care. Nobody cares about them or they'd be more famous. And I don't mean record sales determine if you're good or not, but if you're not known at all then you must not be that good. In the 21st century with file sharing and online music, it's pretty hard NOT to get your name out there. So they can't use that excuse either.

I don't listen to much underground rap.


So let's summarize here: 80's rap -- I don't like it. 90's/2000's rap: sucks.

Note the BIG differences between "I don't like it" and "it sucks"

Let's summarize here: you still have no idea what you're talking about.

the 1990's was one of the most fertile periods for rap music with some artists doing exciting, daring, and innovating projects that would shape not just rap music but music in general. And it "sucks" but 80's rap "doesn't suck"?

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

You don't like rap. Fine. But don't act like that gives you license to be an idiot. Because it doesn't.

[fquaye14ten]

hahahahah he is a dusty fool!

[SoxFan76]

You are an ignorant fool. I have come to the conclusion that the Atlanta Braves are the greatest sports team ever, this is based upon the last 15 years.

For a little guy who brags about how much money he makes, you sure aren't the sharpest knife in the drawer, huh.

Instead of these baseless attacks on me, how about we read what I type instead of immediately bashing me? First of all Chips, as usual, this post is a steaming pile of shit and doesn't relate to the conversation at all. So go back to making lunch plans.

And CW, how did rap shape music in general!!!! Maybe the 2 year rap rock stage with Linkin Park, Limp Bizkit, and POD, but that's it! All it has done is create a group of goofy 14 year old white suburban kids who talk with a south Compton accent. And a 23 year old Asian from Wisconsin who likes to write freestyle lyrics on a White Sox message board and constantly defend the rap genre. :laff:

[fquaye14ten]

For a little guy who brags about how much money he makes, you sure aren't the sharpest knife in the drawer, huh.

a.) what does this have to do with anything
b.) i've never seen chips brag about his money


Instead of these baseless attacks on me, how about we read what I type instead of immediately bashing me? First of all Chips, as usual, this post is a steaming pile of shit and doesn't relate to the conversation at all. So go back to making lunch plans.


:rolleyes:


And CW, how did rap shape music in general!!!!
I've been over this before and I don't feel like giving you another lesson about it. I'm not one of the professors at the college you failed out of.


Maybe the 2 year rap rock stage with Linkin Park, Limp Bizkit, and POD, but that's it! All it has done is create a group of goofy 14 year old white suburban kids who talk with a south Compton accent.
Rap-metal is only one genre that's been influenced by rap music. But nice try.


And a 23 year old Asian
go fuck yourself. what does this have to do with anything?


from Wisconsin who likes to write freestyle lyrics on a White Sox message board
I don't remember "Writing freestyle lyrics on a White Sox message board," but maybe I was just suffering from explosive amnesia at the time


and constantly defend the rap genre. :laff:

hilarious. consider me pwned :rolleyes:

[SoxFan76]

Ok, I totally forgot where this conversation started, but I looked back and found we were all having a civil conversation until Wong came in. What else is new. :rolleyes:

I said rap will fade because in my experiences I have found that rap is not nearly as prevalent as it once was. Then I partially retracted my statement and said that maybe it's just people around my age because they don't listen to rap anymore.

Wong says it's going to fade after 30 years. Nobody but poor blacks listened to rap 30 years ago because they were the ones making the raps about their lives. Then I said it didn't get really big until the early 90's, so a more accurate statement would be it won't fade away after 15 years of huge popularity. I think that's fair to say. And it won't go away, it will just not be as big as it once was. I still feel that's true.

Yadda yadda yadda, my words get twisted around as usual, and here we are. Wong and his butt buddy teaming up on me again. It's all so predictable.

[CaptainBallz]

Wong says it's going to fade after 30 years. Nobody but poor blacks listened to rap 30 years ago because they were the ones making the raps about their lives. Then I said it didn't get really big until the early 90's, so a more accurate statement would be it won't fade away after 15 years of huge popularity. I think that's fair to say. And it won't go away, it will just not be as big as it once was. I still feel that's true.

Yadda yadda yadda, my words get twisted around as usual, and here we are. Wong and his butt buddy teaming up on me again. It's all so predictable.


Your words aren't getting twisted around. you're just saying really stupid things.

[fquaye14ten]

Ok, I totally forgot where this conversation started, but I looked back and found we were all having a civil conversation until Wong came in. What else is new. :rolleyes:

don't say my name like the fucking faggot asshole you are and be surprised when i come and rip you an asshole, you walking flake of dandruff


I said rap will fade because in my experiences I have found that rap is not nearly as prevalent as it once was. Then I partially retracted my statement and said that maybe it's just people around my age because they don't listen to rap anymore.


:rolleyes:


Wong says it's going to fade after 30 years.
do you possess the basic ability to read, you drooling mongoloid? i have never said anything resembling that.


Nobody but poor blacks listened to rap 30 years ago because they were the ones making the raps about their lives.
BZZT wrong. As usual, you ignorant moron. I guess Debbie Harry is a "poor black"


Then I said it didn't get really big until the early 90's, so a more accurate statement would be it won't fade away after 15 years of huge popularity. I think that's fair to say.
of course you say that. and of course you're wrong.


And it won't go away, it will just not be as big as it once was. I still feel that's true.
I guess I would agree with that if it weren't for the fact that rap still dominates the pop charts :shrug:

Yadda yadda yadda, my words get twisted around as usual, and here we are. Wong and his butt buddy teaming up on me again. It's all so predictable.
maybe if you didn't say incredibly retarded shit in nearly every thread you post in you wouldn't have that problem.

I didn't give you word one of shit about your beyond retarded New York statements (because I sort of agreed with you)...but you still got eaten alive. You wonder why that is? I'll tell you:

you post like a fucking retard

[SoxFan76]

Relax buddy.

Wong says it's going to fade after 30 years.

do you possess the basic ability to read, you drooling mongoloid? i have never said anything resembling that.

^That was a typo. You said it won't fade after 30 years. Pretty easy to figure out. If you'd just take a deep breath and relax for a second you would of caught that.

I'm basing what I know about the history of rap off of documentaries I've seen on TV about....the history of rap. :shrug:

You keep bringing up the New York conversation, well again you don't seem to "get it". I was making fun of myself the entire time. But once agaaaaaaain, you fail to realize what I'm actually trying to say. No wonder you drink so much, you need something to calm those nerves of yours.

I get pissed when people I don't know insult me via the internet, which I think is a valid complaint. And it's what you've been doing this entire time to me. That's your version of a couner-argument. You get pissed when I say I hate rap. Time to get a grip and realize music isn't worth getting all worked up over.

[SoxFan76]

No you say that rap sucks because you hate it.

That is correct....

So why do you guys keep throwing hissy fits? Well, not Chips. CW.

[fquaye14ten]

Relax buddy.

Wong says it's going to fade after 30 years.

do you possess the basic ability to read, you drooling mongoloid? i have never said anything resembling that.

^That was a typo. You said it won't fade after 30 years. Pretty easy to figure out. If you'd just take a deep breath and relax for a second you would of caught that.
It's hard to give the benefit of the doubt to someone who not only types like shit but also consistently misunderstands the point, misreads arguments, and generally is an all-around moron


I'm basing what I know about the history of rap off of documentaries I've seen on TV about....the history of rap. :shrug:
you must watch some shitty documentaries....

also: are you sure you saw that on tv? are you sure you didn't see it NOWHERE?


You keep bringing up the New York conversation, well again you don't seem to "get it". I was making fun of myself the entire time. But once agaaaaaaain, you fail to realize what I'm actually trying to say. No wonder you drink so much, you need something to calm those nerves of yours.


if it was just a joke, no one thought it was funny.
but congrats :rolleyes:


I get pissed when people I don't know insult me via the internet, which I think is a valid complaint. And it's what you've been doing this entire time to me. That's your version of a couner-argument. You get pissed when I say I hate rap. Time to get a grip and realize music isn't worth getting all worked up over.

I don't get pissed that you hate rap. I can't care if you hate rap. Congratulations, you have an opinion.

What I get pissed about is

a.) you think that opinion applies to anyone beside yourself...and not just that but categorically to an entire genre of music in terms of quality

b.) you are incredibly stupid about making the argument, refuse to listen to reason, and constantly fall back on latently racist, ignorant arguments that have been refuted a million times

That is correct....

So why do you guys keep throwing hissy fits? Well, not Chips. CW.

"i hate rap" is a subjective, opinion statement

"rap sucks" is an objective, qualitative statement

no wonder you failed out of college--your'e a fucking idiot

ps: go cuddle with some fat chicks and then assure us they're hot

[SoxFan76]

I stand by my original statement: rap sucks.

[fquaye14ten]

and the rest of the thinking world (read: not stockdale) stands by their original statemnts:

you are an utter moron

[3D23]

you must watch some shitty documentaries....

also: are you sure you saw that on tv? are you sure you didn't see it NOWHERE?




:rolling:

He must have watched "Behind the Music" on Public Enemy.

Dre is solid, and NWA was ahead of its time. Death Row records will kill SF76 soon, very soon. :D

[SoxFan76]

and the rest of the thinking world (read: not stockdale) stands by their original statemnts:

you are an utter moron

Alright, enough with insulting my intelligence. I get it. You're so insecure about yourself that you need to insult the mental capacity of people you don't know. Do you and Chips get a free pass on this tact policy?

[CaptainBallz]

I feel like I'm beating a limp dick here.

that limp dick, I call :loftus:!

[fquaye14ten]

triflin' ass n words!

Alright, enough with insulting my intelligence. I get it. You're so insecure about yourself that you need to insult the mental capacity of people you don't know. Do you and Chips get a free pass on this tact policy?

:rolleyes:

when, after pages of reasoning you just sit in the corner and pout

"i don't care how ignorant i'm being, rap sucks"

what choice do i have BUT to tell you you're being an idiot

[SoxFan76]

Hey, it's pretty easy when all the rap supporters are in one thread ganging up on the guy who speaks against it, huh.

Here's another little tip: if someone doesn't agree with you that doesn't make them a moron.

[Prope]

Alright now to make an actual contribution to the thread.........

We might see the progression of mainsteam "blackity black black music" on Sept. 11th. 50 Cent and Kanye West both have albums coming out. Fitty is regarded more as gangsta while Kanye is more of the conscious rapper.

Previously 50 claimed if Kanye outsold him he would stop making solo albums. He went back on that statement but still thinks he will be #1 for that week.

However with Common recently debuting at the number one spot and IMO Kanye will no doubt be number one as well, maybe we are starting to see a shift in mainstream rap?
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1567100/20070814/50_cent.jhtml

[fquaye14ten]

it's not that YOU DON'T AGREE

it's that you're trying to say a genre of music sucks for the mere reason that you don't like it.

There's a lot of people on this board who hate rap (like Zoso, for instance, or Yoda) who i don't give shit about it...because they don't try to say that just because they don't like it it sucks.

it's an easy distinction to understand, but you seen hell bent on ignoring it and distorting the issue

[SoxFan76]

I'm not the one who started all this shit. Yoda, Zoso, and myself were having an actual conversation until you came in and started calling me an idiot, and other insults.

Then you started presenting your opinions as facts. I swear I've heard this somewhere before.

[fquaye14ten]

Alright now to make an actual contribution to the thread.........

We might see the progression of mainsteam "blackity black black music" on Sept. 11th. 50 Cent and Kanye West both have albums coming out. Fitty is regarded more as gangsta while Kanye is more of the conscious rapper.

Previously 50 claimed if Kanye outsold him he would stop making solo albums. He went back on that statement but still thinks he will be #1 for that week.

However with Common recently debuting at the number one spot and IMO Kanye will no doubt be number one as well, maybe we are starting to see a shift in mainstream rap?
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1567100/20070814/50_cent.jhtml

We saw this in the late 90's/early 00's with the rise to prominence, almost simultaneously of The Roots, Jurassic 5, Mos Def, Common, Dilated Peoples and Talib Kweli

( I know The Roots and Common had been around, but they really took off in that period...)

There's no, like, "bend" in rap that you can point out. It's like Q-Tip said: "Things go in cycles."

During every period in rap there's both mainstream pop stuff and socially conscious, thinking-man's stuff-- early 90's, mid 90's late 90's, even now with Kanye West.

I'm not the one who started all this shit. Yoda, Zoso, and myself were having an actual conversation until you came in and started calling me an idiot, and other insults.

you said my name like a little fairy ass queen girl. that's the only reason i'm here. keep your fatboy mouth shut about me if you don't want me to give you shit about it. i'm not your friend on this board, so don't think you can tease me or something like i like you. :rolleyes: and don't try to rewrite history


Then you started presenting your opinions as facts. I swear I've heard this somewhere before.
Where have I presented my opinion? All I've been doing is presenting facts (like that rap has been around over 30 years, or that rap isn't just for "poor blacks"[you racist piece of shit] and never was).

The only opinion I've presented here is that you are a drooling tard, and I think that seems to be towing the line of "common knowledge"

[Prope]

Wong spits mad troof. I guess I just wasn't into thinking man's rap in the early 00's so therefore it sucked and/or never existed.

Also I just wish there was a way to guarantee that 50 could never create music again.

[fquaye14ten]

yeah he really sucks these days. it's sad, going back to power of the dollar and get rich or die trying to think of how lousy his music's become

same w/ eminem

i think i will listen to power of the dollar right now!

[fquaye14ten]

I <3 zo

[SoxFan76]

Where have I presented my opinion? All I've been doing is presenting facts (like that rap has been around over 30 years, or that rap isn't just for "poor blacks"[you racist piece of shit] and never was).

Wow...you are really hard to have a conversation with.

I said rap has been really popular for around 15 years. I don't know how long it has been around before then, I don't even like rap. I wouldn't know.

Rap was created by poor blacks living in the hood. They wrote raps about their lives. Why does that make me racist? At least that's what...I think it was Rev Run said on one of the documentaries I saw.

[fquaye14ten]

are you still talking?

[SoxFan76]

Are you one of those guys who needs the last word?

That's fine. I'm officially done with this thread.....

now.