Let's talk WWE

[SoxFan76]

What's new in the world of wrestling.

Khali is the champ, what a crock of shit. Seriously, McMahon's boner for big men is unreal. And I don't watch Smackdown, but I bet you 10 bucks he's going to feud with Batista, who I also don't care for.

McMahon is coming back on TV on monday. I'll have to check that out. I wonder if he mentions the car blowing up or if they totally aborted that storyline all together?

Triple H is going to be on TV again soon. I know he's bangin the bosses daughter and he's a booker, but he's a hell of a talent. You don't really appreciate HHH until he's gone.

Looks like Cena is finally going to lose his title at Summerslam to Orton. All I gotta say is it's about time. Cena's been getting booed in the knowledgable wrestling cities for months now. (Chicago, any place in Canada, New York, and Georgia) He needs to turn heel and move on. This new Orton gimmick I think is awesome. The silent assasin, if you will.

Discuss.

[infinite1]

What's new in the world of wrestling.

Khali is the champ, what a crock of shit. Seriously, McMahon's boner for big men is unreal. And I don't watch Smackdown, but I bet you 10 bucks he's going to feud with Batista, who I also don't care for.

McMahon is coming back on TV on monday. I'll have to check that out. I wonder if he mentions the car blowing up or if they totally aborted that storyline all together?

Triple H is going to be on TV again soon. I know he's bangin the bosses daughter and he's a booker, but he's a hell of a talent. You don't really appreciate HHH until he's gone.

Looks like Cena is finally going to lose his title at Summerslam to Orton. All I gotta say is it's about time. Cena's been getting booed in the knowledgable wrestling cities for months now. (Chicago, any place in Canada, New York, and Georgia) He needs to turn heel and move on. This new Orton gimmick I think is awesome. The silent assasin, if you will.

Discuss.

Khali was pretty much the alternative cuz they needed a heel to hold the tittle

He is feuding with Batista and well 2 big guys that cant put on a show is just horrible

I dont really watch Smackdown either but I read about it online

Cena is due to lose the tittle. The thought process is they will produce new shirts and gear to sell as he gets into the hunt for the tittle. HHH will return at Sumerslam for a small feud with King Bookah. Then evetually feud with Orton for Wrestlemania

Oh and about the car explosion that was done and over with when the Benoit thing happened

[StockdaleforVeep]

khali is like andre the giant and the concept of him as gone from disgust to acceptance

[SoxFan76]

Well the thing about Andre is (and this is all from waht I've read obviously), but Andre was a fantastic worker in the 70s and 80s. In his later WWF years, he was just a time bomb waiting to explode.

Khali is champ because they need a heel...that just means Smackdown needs more heels. They all went to Raw. Kennedy and Booker, for example.

[StockdaleforVeep]

Well the thing about Andre is (and this is all from waht I've read obviously), but Andre was a fantastic worker in the 70s and 80s. In his later WWF years, he was just a time bomb waiting to explode.

Khali is champ because they need a heel...that just means Smackdown needs more heels. They all went to Raw. Kennedy and Booker, for example.

no, smackdown needs wrestlers period

everyone is dropping off to injuries now and they are running out of established talent to throw in there

it has no meaning who went where because they always run wrestlers between the shows

[JohnBasedowYoda]

Dean Malenko

[StockdaleforVeep]

Jushin thunder lyger

[JohnBasedowYoda]

Mike Awesome

[StockdaleforVeep]

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[Doug Simpson]

Mike Awesome
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He gone.

[StockdaleforVeep]

:hawk:

He gone.

Too soon

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[getonbckthr]

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[soxwon]

What is your idea of the future of wrestling namely WWE?
Do you see them going for less "big" guys and to more wrestling?

I like the future with orton-but cena is the "New Game".
Speaking of HHH will be back soon.
First he will beat booker t- then beat or chase new champ' Randy orton"
Cena will do fine as a challenger chasing orton also.
HHH will win the belt at wrestlemania next year, I think!!!

Who here has meet any wrestlers?
I used to part in the 80's n 90's with the WCW n WWF stars, but that was way back when.

[maurice]

What is your idea of the future of wrestling namely WWE?
Do you see them going for less "big" guys and to more wrestling?

On the contrary, I imagine that they're gonna stick to the soap opera BS and 'roided out freaks who suck at wrestling.

Who here has meet any wrestlers?

I met Hogan at the height of his popularity. The WWF had a show in Minnesota, and we were staying / eating b'fast in the same hotel. Helluva nice guy. Macho Man also was in attendance.

I also met Honey Bee. Anybody remember this obscure broad?

[ewokpelts]

What's new in the world of wrestling.

Khali is the champ, what a crock of shit. Seriously, McMahon's boner for big men is unreal. And I don't watch Smackdown, but I bet you 10 bucks he's going to feud with Batista, who I also don't care for.

McMahon is coming back on TV on monday. I'll have to check that out. I wonder if he mentions the car blowing up or if they totally aborted that storyline all together?

Triple H is going to be on TV again soon. I know he's bangin the bosses daughter and he's a booker, but he's a hell of a talent. You don't really appreciate HHH until he's gone.

Looks like Cena is finally going to lose his title at Summerslam to Orton. All I gotta say is it's about time. Cena's been getting booed in the knowledgable wrestling cities for months now. (Chicago, any place in Canada, New York, and Georgia) He needs to turn heel and move on. This new Orton gimmick I think is awesome. The silent assasin, if you will.

Discuss.
Let's NOT.

[soxwon]

On the contrary, I imagine that they're gonna stick to the soap opera BS and 'roided out freaks who suck at wrestling.



I met Hogan at the height of his popularity. The WWF had a show in Minnesota, and we were staying / eating b'fast in the same hotel. Helluva nice guy. Macho Man also was in attendance.

I also met Honey Bee. Anybody remember this obscure broad?

honey bee hosted that wrestling hilights show in the 80's on chanel 32.

[BleachedSox]

Undertaker is supposedly making his return at Unforgiven, which I'm looking forward to. I would have liked to see his title run last longer than it did.

I'm also looking forward to the return of Triple H. Hopefully he makes an appearance before Summerslam.

Cena sucks and Khali is just as bad. Khali has no mic talent and his work in the ring is way too sloppy.

[getonbckthr]

Undertaker is supposedly making his return at Unforgiven, which I'm looking forward to. I would have liked to see his title run last longer than it did.

I'm also looking forward to the return of Triple H. Hopefully he makes an appearance before Summerslam.

Cena sucks and Khali is just as bad. Khali has no mic talent and his work in the ring is way too sloppy.
I think Unforgiven is here in Chicago.

[BleachedSox]

I think Unforgiven is here in Chicago.

I thought so too, but it'll be in Memphis.

[Rabid_Llama8]

No Mercy is in Chicago

[Joosh]

No Mercy is in Chicago

Going to that show for sure.

[Rabid_Llama8]

Its odd they aren't posting it anywhere in their live event area, but its listed in their contest area...and tickets aren't on sale yet....hmm

[SFS04]

:threadsucks:

[SFS04]

:wtg:

[Joosh]

Its odd they aren't posting it anywhere in their live event area, but its listed in their contest area...and tickets aren't on sale yet....hmm

Unforgiven tickets just went on presale so I'm sure that they'll be on sale in a month or so.

Oh, and according to some reports it looks like the WWE will be bringing back the McMahon faking his death storyline in some form or another.

[Rabid_Llama8]

God I hope not

[StockdaleforVeep]

Going to that show for sure.

mcmahon will never get a dollar from me again

[Prope]

The worst thing that ever happened to the WWF/WWE was the WCW going under. Now they have too many wrestlers (see: the draft :jagoff:) and no competition, so now they really have no incentive to be cutting edge or inventive with the stories. Or really, no incentive to actually get a good wrestler the belt.

[infinite1]

Competition see TNA.. Not a bad product just the announcers and some of the storylines suck.. The action and or performance is slightly better than that of the WWE I just cant hold my self to see it on a weekly basis. Also the only way WWE will put a belt on someone is if they are a good heel or if you can sell a ton of merchandise ala Cena.

[StockdaleforVeep]

The worst thing that ever happened to the WWF/WWE was the WCW going under. Now they have too many wrestlers (see: the draft :jagoff:) and no competition, so now they really have no incentive to be cutting edge or inventive with the stories. Or really, no incentive to actually get a good wrestler the belt.

that and ecw dying

WWF stole its whole "attitude era" off them

[soxwon]

that and ecw dying

WWF stole its whole "attitude era" off them

Mcmahon hated ECW because it was not his idea, and it HAD a ton of fans.
Same with WCW, he hated it, and bought both out so he could destroy them.
What an ass he is.

Hey watch ROH-Ring of Honor whenever it comes to Burr Ridge,
Now thats wrestling !!!

[infinite1]

Great a ECW freak

[soxwon]

Unforgiven tickets just went on presale so I'm sure that they'll be on sale in a month or so.

Oh, and according to some reports it looks like the WWE will be bringing back the McMahon faking his death storyline in some form or another.


Tonight Mcmahon comes back on Raw.
He thinks the reason the ratings are bad, is because he hasnt been on TV.

[infinite1]

They will continue the death angle too

[StockdaleforVeep]

Mcmahon hated ECW because it was not his idea, and it HAD a ton of fans.
Same with WCW, he hated it, and bought both out so he could destroy them.
What an ass he is.

Hey watch ROH-Ring of Honor whenever it comes to Burr Ridge,
Now thats wrestling !!!

He hated it but he did alot of business with them. Hell, he gave ecw primetime coverage when he did the invasion angle.

[Rabid_Llama8]

Where do you think WWE is getting its up and coming talent? I.E. CM Punk (Former ROH Champ), and soon to be coming up from OVW Colt Cabana (Chicago indy wrestling legend.)

[StockdaleforVeep]

Great a ECW freak

ecw was wrestling

it survived on the fans not being dumbshits

Where do you think WWE is getting its up and coming talent? I.E. CM Punk (Former ROH Champ), and soon to be coming up from OVW Colt Cabana (Chicago indy wrestling legend.)

chick magnet punk was worthless in LWF

[infinite1]

ECW was just a bunch of daredevils using all kinds of props.. ROH is great, but like anything else you have to come from somewhere and ROH is a great training organization. No one who watches wrestling on tv is in for wrestling its for storylines. If you want to watch wrestling you know you have to go to places like ROH, DSW and so forth

[Rabid_Llama8]

DSW went bye bye.

[infinite1]

Yeah but they opened up a new one in Florida

[StockdaleforVeep]

ECW was just a bunch of daredevils using all kinds of props.. ROH is great, but like anything else you have to come from somewhere and ROH is a great training organization. No one who watches wrestling on tv is in for wrestling its for storylines. If you want to watch wrestling you know you have to go to places like ROH, DSW and so forth

No, ECW was smart

It was the first company not to insult the fans with crappy fantasy gimmicks or storylines. It was realistic, hence why WWF became realistic with its "attitude" era because it got stolen from ecw. A person who never watched ecw you apparently are because some of the greatest matches of all time have nothing to do with high flying, look at malenko vs guererro

Also, ecw was infamous for their promo's, they had the best interviews ever and it built up so many guys into having great mic skills

the ecw work ethic blew away anything anyone else ever had
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[Joosh]

You know, not to just throw in a cheap plug here, but I will be hosting a wrestling talk show tonight called The Wrestling Burnout hosted at Burnoutmedia.com. Starting at 7 PM CST, we'll be discussing the current state of wrestling and much more.

Also, our guest for this week is "Pitbull #1" Gary Wolf, a former ECW and NWA tag team champion.

This is my first show, I'm looking forward to it. You should check it out.

[infinite1]

ECW was a complete piece of garbage, from the matches with props to the bad production. Why do you think it went down the craper in the first place ? It catered to people like you wanting something different. Different doesn't always mean better.

[StockdaleforVeep]

ECW was a complete piece of garbage, from the matches with props to the bad production. Why do you think it went down the craper in the first place ? It catered to people like you wanting something different. Different doesn't always mean better.

So if it was garbage, care to explain why wwf(as well as wcw) raided the ecw roster and why after ecw started to get national attention, wwe started to use stuff like ladder matches and hardcore matches, etc etc? You just proved yourself wrong being the mark you are and yet in the same breath saying the thing wwe idolized and modeled itself into was garbage

[Rabid_Llama8]

Excuse me, WWE started the ladder match in 92 (Wrestlemania 10, HBK V Razor Ramon anyone?). Granted the hardcore division ripped off ECW and all, I don't really think the 2 were comparable. ECW was great wrestling and WWE was gimmicks.

[infinite1]

I think great wrestling is in the training divisons or smaller organizations. ECW was entertaing to a certain extent just not worth my time. WWE and WCW raided their rosters because they could take the name of their small name stars and use it to go against each other. I don't think WWE nor WCW were really worried about a wrestling organization based out of a bingo hall

[soxwon]

Word seems to be- Mr Kennedy is Mr Mcmahon's illigitimate son.
Will eventually feud with HHH, and make Kennedy #1 heel in the WWF.

[SoxFan76]

I thought McMahon was bringing in an illegitimate daughter, not son. I've been out of the loop for a week though, so I'll take your word over mine.

I'm glad Vince mentioned the car blowing up. I read the results from last week last night. I would of been pissed if he just completely ignored what happened a few weeks prior.

ECW was ground breaking, but it was nothing but a bunch of dare devils banking on shock value. The production was horrendous, the venues were horrible, and the wrestlers were horrible outside of guys like Awesome and Scorpio. They had a few great talents like Sandman and Foley, but they also had your standard bump-freaks like RVD who suck at wrestling and have no personality. People claim they had so many fans, yet they couldn't upgrade their cameras from a 1984 camcorder to something a little more recent? Stockdale is right on one thing, some of the promos they had were downright amazing.

[infinite1]

Justin Credible and Shane did have great promos but I agree with SOXFAN76 production was garbage, a bunch of daredevils and a few good athletes. But going back to McMahon story is not complete yet, as of right now it will be Mr. Kennedy but their is also talks of making it a daughter instead. HHH's feud will be with Orton and Cena all over again. I actually cant wait for the NEW Heartfoundation

[SoxFan76]

Justin Credible was a nobody. That tells you how bad ECW was when a WWF jobber was one of the biggest ECW champions ever.

The old school ECW guys were good. I forgot about legends such as Benoit, Jericho, Guerrero, Mysterio, etc. But they were so good they got out pretty quickly to move on to bigger and better things.

[infinite1]

Every one of those names all were much better in Japan. ECW didn't really create superstars, it just kept stars in the US. ECW is like the single A minors

[Prope]

So who did end up blowing the car up?

[SoxFan76]

Well originally it was going to be a "whodunnit" storyline. This was before Benoit.

Now he says he did it to see how people would react because he needs the attention. It was all an act and everyone fell for it and he wanted to see what the people would think.

Half assed attempt at killing (no pun intended) the storyline, but he was put in a tough spot.

[Prope]

More and more, I see the WWE as one big ego-cock stroking for Vince McMahon.

[SoxFan76]

Prope, I really enjoy watching wrestling, I always have,

but you are 100% correct.

[Prope]

See I used to watch it all the time. The reason I got away from it was McMahon. Sometimes I just wish they'd get to more wrestling, then having him and his family on camera.

I mean, I realize that he owns the company, and essentially can do what he wants. I just wish he'd realize how some fans just plain don't want to see him. I don't think I'm alone in this, as you've already pointed this out.

[infinite1]

Thats the money maker though.. Think about it.. Everyone hates them but love to see him get his ass kicked. Anyone who Mcmahon feuds with become an instant fan favorite and sell the merchandise... Smart thinking in my opinion.

[SoxFan76]

Yes, infinite. In Vince's defense, he is the biggest villian the WWF/E has had EVER. Remember back in the early 90's? The loveable Vince McMahon? He wasn't recognized as the owner, just a lowly announcer, and people would always pick on him. One day he had enough and came out and told everyone he was the owner and has never looked back. He is the one guy who consistently gets a reaction from the fans. He's so fun to hate with that goofy walk and shit eating grin.

I'm not going to lie to you, I'm looking forward to watching Raw tonight and seeing where this illegitimate kid thing goes. It's all a soap opera, yeah, but this isn't the days of independent federations in 1976. Lawler in Memphis, Ventura and Hogan in Minnesota, etc. This is 21st cenutry SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT. Storylines are part of it. It makes it more exciting.

PS, Umaga as a face really intrigues me. I'm curious to see how this goes. I heard he turned on Orton and Carlito last Monday.

[infinite1]

Yes Umaga did turn on Orton and Carlito.. I just would like to know who Mcmahon is planning to feud with next because thats where Mr Kennedy is going to be involved. And it has always been a soap opera, just that now they are going overboard on some storylines.. Its just good entertainment for me

[Rabid_Llama8]

I think the real problem lately is the predictability. They keep going with the same crap rehased, you don't see any vignettes anymore like you did in the attitude era, nothing to keep it new. The writers just...suck.

[infinite1]

Only way to see new storylines and stuff is for the characters themselves to create sum ala stone cold... Or just get new writers

[Doug Simpson]

Only way to see new storylines and stuff is for the characters themselves to create sum ala stone cold... Or just get new writers


New writers???? Are you saying this stuff isn't real?:confused:

[SoxFan76]

New writers???? Are you saying this stuff isn't real?:confused:

:confused:

Whoever said the storylines were real? :shrug:

[Prope]

All good points on McMahon being a heel, yet, there were only two people who ever held my interest in that sense: Stone Cold and The Rock. Everybody else had one of two problems, they either weren't interesting or couldn't wrestle. Again, just my $.02

D-X was a failed attempt at trying to copy WCW's NwO, that is why I never liked that angle and still don't.

[SoxFan76]

:confused: DX was the biggest thing going around 1998! You still got people doing the crotch chop today. The stuff they did was groundbreaking. Having chicks flash their tits on tv, having Chyna moon the crowd, having the rest of the members moon the crowd, wearing banana hammocks just to appeal to the women fans, etc.

Not to mention HHH, HBK, X-Pac and Road Dog were all fantastic wrestlers. Billy Gunn, not so much.

[Prope]

:confused: DX was the biggest thing going around 1998! You still got people doing the crotch chop today. The stuff they did was groundbreaking. Having chicks flash their tits on tv, having Chyna moon the crowd, having the rest of the members moon the crowd, wearing banana hammocks just to appeal to the women fans, etc.

Not to mention HHH, HBK, X-Pac and Road Dog were all fantastic wrestlers. Billy Gunn, not so much.
I never really thought much of the Road Dogg. I think he made an awful attempt to try to be that character. Yes, Triple H is an amazing wrestler, but he would have been on the same rise he was if not for DX. X-Pac, Road Dogg, and Billy Gunn needed DX to be popular, and I personally thought it sucked. I also did not think HBK was good at tyring to be the young badass.

Just me.

[mike squires]

Any news on Piper and his battle with cancer?

[infinite1]

According to Piper he said he is all clear. To go back to DX, The original creation of DX was the best with just HBK and HHH.. The addition of X-Pac was the best since he created the whole Chop deal. There were alot of good storylines written with them. The Original NWO was probably one of the best storylines ever

[Prope]

According to Piper he said he is all clear. To go back to DX, The original creation of DX was the best with just HBK and HHH.. The addition of X-Pac was the best since he created the whole Chop deal. There were alot of good storylines written with them. The Original NWO was probably one of the best storylines ever
+25 Rep.

[infinite1]

That turned WCW into a monster, and ofcourse crushed WWE/F for like 52 weeks straight in ratings. I was also a big fan of the Heartfoundation vs Stone cold

[soxwon]

ive also heard its a possibility HHH is Vinnie Mac's Bastard son!!!
then his son would be screwing his daughter!!!
Thats how Macmahon thinks.

But chances are its Kennedy.

According to Piper he said he is all clear. To go back to DX, The original creation of DX was the best with just HBK and HHH.. The addition of X-Pac was the best since he created the whole Chop deal. There were alot of good storylines written with them. The Original NWO was probably one of the best storylines ever

agree but there was nothing that could compare to the 4 Horsemen.

[infinite1]

The horsemen were the originators of the stable. No one can say anything bad about them. There is now talks of not having Mr Kennedy be his son because it's too obvious.. Last nights show was just ok. I like how the crowd was last night with the "lets go Cena" chant and then the " Cena Sucks". I give the show a "B"

[SoxFan76]

Last night's show was kinda :shrug:.

HHH really should of at least made an apperance on the entrance ramp.

Cody Rhodes is damn impressive. Give it a year, he'll be battling Orton for the WWE Championship.

The Boogeyman has been growing on me...he's actually pretty entertaining.

Santino Marrella's whiny little bitch character is pretty cool. I kinda like it. It makes you really hate him.

Nothing else really sticks out from last night. Pretty :shrug:, as I said earlier.

[Rabid_Llama8]

Bring back Goldust!

[infinite1]

Cody reminds me of Orton, but just needs more definition, he is just bland.. HHH should have made an appearance but like WWE said he wont show till SummerSlam
The Santino stuff is hilarious.. Boogeyman is like a rip off to me.... And Stone Cold showing up is awesome

[SoxFan76]

Yeah I heard Stone Cold made another appearance at the Saturday Night Main Event taping. I usually don't read spoilers, but the last thing I'll be doing at 9:30 on a Saturday night is watching wrestling. So I just read the results.

If you ask me, SCSA needs to either start wrestling again, take on a permanent TV role, or get the hell off my TV. Having him make a random cameo when ratings are down is an insult to wrestling fans everywhere. "Hey ratings were low last week. Let's bring on a superstar from 6 years ago! People will love that. Then we'll have him vanish into oblivion until the next ratings drop."

[StockdaleforVeep]

Excuse me, WWE started the ladder match in 92 (Wrestlemania 10, HBK V Razor Ramon anyone?). Granted the hardcore division ripped off ECW and all, I don't really think the 2 were comparable. ECW was great wrestling and WWE was gimmicks.

Yes, wwf dabbeld in the concept but it was a rare gimmick match, same same as cage matches

WCW and WWF blatanly stole ideas like the stop sign and other issues in matches. Hell, ecw sued wcw because raven in wcw used a fans sign that was a "disguised" stop sign

I think great wrestling is in the training divisons or smaller organizations. ECW was entertaing to a certain extent just not worth my time. WWE and WCW raided their rosters because they could take the name of their small name stars and use it to go against each other. I don't think WWE nor WCW were really worried about a wrestling organization based out of a bingo hall

So is that why vince began inter promotional work with them when they started to get hot?

Is that why bischoff states in his books about how they picked apart ecw?

There is a reason why fans(and wrestlers) love and respect tommy dreamer more than 2\3rds of the wwe roster

I thought McMahon was bringing in an illegitimate daughter, not son. I've been out of the loop for a week though, so I'll take your word over mine.

I'm glad Vince mentioned the car blowing up. I read the results from last week last night. I would of been pissed if he just completely ignored what happened a few weeks prior.

ECW was ground breaking, but it was nothing but a bunch of dare devils banking on shock value. The production was horrendous, the venues were horrible, and the wrestlers were horrible outside of guys like Awesome and Scorpio. They had a few great talents like Sandman and Foley, but they also had your standard bump-freaks like RVD who suck at wrestling and have no personality. People claim they had so many fans, yet they couldn't upgrade their cameras from a 1984 camcorder to something a little more recent? Stockdale is right on one thing, some of the promos they had were downright amazing.


Ok, did u ever even watch ecw? I can put in a tape right now and it will have a few high spots(prob less than a typical wcw cruiser match) but they focused on putting on matches. The technical skill and non stop back and forth. Yes u had the garbage style wrestlers like sandman, foley, new jack etc etc, hell, if you want to use incorrect stereotypes, they had japanese wrestlers that WERENT high flyers, look at tajiri and masato tanaka, ecw based its style off of FMW and AJPW, being a stiff, realistic style of wrestling
In wwf and wcw, u could easily see the wrestlers wiff on each other

Every one of those names all were much better in Japan. ECW didn't really create superstars, it just kept stars in the US. ECW is like the single A minors

Created stars based on what they were when they got dumped by a company and woulda gone nowhere without ecw
Shane douglas
Chris Candido(rip)
Rey jr
Justin credible
chris jericho(also honorable mention to SMW)
The dudleys
Rob van dam
sabu
Steve austin
Tommy dreamer
Raven
You can say cactus jack because he was a mid range guy in wcw and only good for jobbing to vader and the nasty boys

Plus, i cannot say ecw created him but more that he helped create ecw but Terry Funk

ive also heard its a possibility HHH is Vinnie Mac's Bastard son!!!
then his son would be screwing his daughter!!!
Thats how Macmahon thinks.

But chances are its Kennedy.



agree but there was nothing that could compare to the 4 Horsemen.

So, are they gonna say its incest then between stephanie and HHH? Theyve done it before

[SoxFan76]

Yes, wwf dabbeld in the concept but it was a rare gimmick match, same same as cage matches

WCW and WWF blatanly stole ideas like the stop sign and other issues in matches. Hell, ecw sued wcw because raven in wcw used a fans sign that was a "disguised" stop sign

I wouldn't say "stolen", but borrowed. The WWE on more than one occasion has credited ECW in beginning the hardcore revolution. The WWE and WCW just jumped on the bangwagon because that's what people wanted to see.


Ok, did u ever even watch ecw? I can put in a tape right now and it will have a few high spots(prob less than a typical wcw cruiser match) but they focused on putting on matches. The technical skill and non stop back and forth. Yes u had the garbage style wrestlers like sandman, foley, new jack etc etc, hell, if you want to use incorrect stereotypes, they had japanese wrestlers that WERENT high flyers, look at tajiri and masato tanaka, ecw based its style off of FMW and AJPW, being a stiff, realistic style of wrestling
In wwf and wcw, u could easily see the wrestlers wiff on each other

From what I saw of ECW, which granted wasn't as much as you, the early days wasn't AS hardcore as the later days. You're right, they had the Japanese guys that wanted to come over to America. It's not going to be a federation full of hacks. But overall the whole federation was a freak show. But man, when done well, those freak shows were damn entertaining. One that comes to mind is Awesome vs. Tanaka. It's all over YouTube. Tanaka just gets destroyed.

[StockdaleforVeep]

I wouldn't say "stolen", but borrowed. The WWE on more than one occasion has credited ECW in beginning the hardcore revolution. The WWE and WCW just jumped on the bangwagon because that's what people wanted to see.




From what I saw of ECW, which granted wasn't as much as you, the early days wasn't AS hardcore as the later days. You're right, they had the Japanese guys that wanted to come over to America. It's not going to be a federation full of hacks. But overall the whole federation was a freak show. But man, when done well, those freak shows were damn entertaining. One that comes to mind is Awesome vs. Tanaka. It's all over YouTube. Tanaka just gets destroyed.

yeah they credited after the bought them, so pretty much since they own ecw, they can claim its ok

If u wanted freakshow wrestling, ud watch IWA

[soxwon]

Bring back Goldust!

goldust is now "black reign " in TNA

Yes, wwf dabbeld in the concept but it was a rare gimmick match, same same as cage matches

WCW and WWF blatanly stole ideas like the stop sign and other issues in matches. Hell, ecw sued wcw because raven in wcw used a fans sign that was a "disguised" stop sign



So is that why vince began inter promotional work with them when they started to get hot?

Is that why bischoff states in his books about how they picked apart ecw?

There is a reason why fans(and wrestlers) love and respect tommy dreamer more than 2\3rds of the wwe roster




Ok, did u ever even watch ecw? I can put in a tape right now and it will have a few high spots(prob less than a typical wcw cruiser match) but they focused on putting on matches. The technical skill and non stop back and forth. Yes u had the garbage style wrestlers like sandman, foley, new jack etc etc, hell, if you want to use incorrect stereotypes, they had japanese wrestlers that WERENT high flyers, look at tajiri and masato tanaka, ecw based its style off of FMW and AJPW, being a stiff, realistic style of wrestling
In wwf and wcw, u could easily see the wrestlers wiff on each other



Created stars based on what they were when they got dumped by a company and woulda gone nowhere without ecw
Shane douglas
Chris Candido(rip)
Rey jr
Justin credible
chris jericho(also honorable mention to SMW)
The dudleys
Rob van dam
sabu
Steve austin
Tommy dreamer
Raven
You can say cactus jack because he was a mid range guy in wcw and only good for jobbing to vader and the nasty boys

Plus, i cannot say ecw created him but more that he helped create ecw but Terry Funk



So, are they gonna say its incest then between stephanie and HHH? Theyve done it before


I guess its not incest- if both parties didnt know that both were dads spawn.
But if HHH knew all along, then YES
But Stephanie did say Dad's Bastard child was standing at ringside.
Maybe its Hornswaggle!!!

Then again, it has never officially been shown HHH is married to Stephanie
Remember when HHH and Michaels were joking about who stephanies babies father is?
everyone knows they are married in real life, but not on TV.

[infinite1]

Lets all go back to the bingo hall and watch a the minors of wrestling

I personally like the gimmicks and storylines more than watching a bunch of men in tights body slamming each other and thats y I watch WWE

[StockdaleforVeep]

Lets all go back to the bingo hall and watch a the minors of wrestling

I personally like the gimmicks and storylines more than watching a bunch of men in tights body slamming each other and thats y I watch WWE

So then watch a fucking soap opera
There is a reason why amazing wrestlers like benoit and others were held back for so long, cuz of people like you who dont cheer or care about talent and only care about charisma. Hell, owen hart was killed because he refused to do a stupid adultery gimmick so they gave him the god damn blue blazer gimmick again

I could care less about mcmahon dying or having a kid or a guy who is apparently "undead" It worked when i was a kid but i grew up

Also, i wouldnt call the villa park odeum or the aragon brawlroom as bingo halls

Also, how many minor feds had tv contracts with spike tv\tna and ppv contracts? :jagoff:

Also, how many rabid fans do minor league baseball have other than nole

[soxwon]

Brian Adams aka Demolition Crush
The Associated Press reports tonight that Brian Adams's wife found him unconscious in his home this morning. She called 911 at 11 a.m. Fire Rescue workers found him dead later. There were no signs of injury or foul play. An autopsy is planned for tomorrow. He was 44.