Garland/Erstad/Dye looking good .....

[Hangar18]

After giving up 3 runs in the first, Garland settled down yesterday and threw 3 shut-out innings, hope he's getting over that hump.

Erstad went 3 for 4. Dye went 3 for 4 and launched another bomb to LF that again nearly hit the street!

Oh, and Scott Pods played and went 3 for 4, with a Stolen Base!

discuss......

[chisoxfanatic]

I'm really thinking Dye will be the league MVP this year. He's improved consistently since joining the Sox and has no signs of letting up. The only reason he didn't win it last year was the fact that the Sox didn't make the playoffs.

Hopefully they can work out a deal to retain him before the offseason.

[Efilnikufesin]

Garland worries me.. I listen to that lineup and it pretty much as a B lineup for the Brewers.. He is getting thrown into the #2 hole this year is last I hear.. He can't be having the same type of years as before and expect to succeed.

Erstad, looking more and more like a sweet steal of a deal.. 1mil for him.. Ahh Hell yeah!

Dye.. I think the guy is going to have a little downfall this year.. I can't see him hitting 40+HR this year.. 30-35 is reasonable.

[EvilleFan]

I don't know why garlard gets no respect. It really doesn't matter where you pitch in the order once you are thruogh it once. No1s pitch against No3,4,5s every day and vice versa. The bottom line is Garland regularly gives us 30 starts and 200+ innings and has put more wins on the board for the Sox (and pretty much more than anybody else in baseball for the last two years). At some point, people will start recognizing the results/effects and realizing there is a cause, that Garland is a very good pitcher in a baseball era in which nobody's winning 20 games anymore.

Erstad looks like he's beating out BA for the job. I agree. I thought of him as an excellent 4th OF for us, someone to "platoon" with BA as Mackowiak tried to do last year (love Macs bat, but his fielding was hard to watch). But this guy looks a lot better than he has for several years, plus he's obviously what the Sox need at the top of the order. And he plays slightly deeper than BA, so your not always wondering if the ball is going to fall in as you do with BA. Personally, I like the outfield with Dye, Erstad and Pods with Ozuna and Mac as subs. That way they can bring E. Perez up as 1B/DH. Send BA back to AAA.

Dye. I don't know what gives you the idea that Dye may not hit as many HRs as last year. Is he not healthy? Is he having a bad ST? Is his stroke changed? Does he lack motivation? He came very close to winning the MVP. I do think his move to the 3 hole in the lineup helped his power numbers last year, especially RBIs, but he can produce out of the 5 hole too. I think he will lead the way rhis year on the Sox - for three players hitting 40 or more HRs. I see this guy playing like Thome for the next 5 years. And he'll probably earn a Ton of money, playing for some other team.:(

[JohnBasedowYoda]

Crede is having a damn fine spring as well

[the fluffer]

Garland threw nothing but 12-6 breaking pitches in the first inning yesterday, so those 3 runs meant nothing. After he got a feel for the pitch, he was LIGHTS OUT, strained shoulder or not.

[fquaye14ten]

spring training=what is going to happen in the regular season

[the fluffer]

I don't know why garlard gets no respect. It really doesn't matter where you pitch in the order once you are thruogh it once. No1s pitch against No3,4,5s every day and vice versa. The bottom line is Garland regularly gives us 30 starts and 200+ innings and has put more wins on the board for the Sox (and pretty much more than anybody else in baseball for the last two years). At some point, people will start recognizing the results/effects and realizing there is a cause, that Garland is a very good pitcher in a baseball era in which nobody's winning 20 games anymore.

Garland leads the majors in shutouts and wins in the previous two seasons. He is also 4th in innings pitched and 6th in starts. How a guy pitching in the AL Central with those feats along with a 4.00 ERA in the same span doesn't get more credit is beyond me. The other thing that pisses me off about Garland's rep is that he doesn't care. If you watch him in the dugout, he is always the first guy to walk over to the defensive players patting them on the back when they bail him out or patting a guy on the helmet when he gets a big hit. Just because Garland is controlled and cool on the mound doesn't mean he doesn't care.

Erstad looks like he's beating out BA for the job. I agree. I thought of him as an excellent 4th OF for us, someone to "platoon" with BA as Mackowiak tried to do last year (love Macs bat, but his fielding was hard to watch). But this guy looks a lot better than he has for several years, plus he's obviously what the Sox need at the top of the order. And he plays slightly deeper than BA, so your not always wondering if the ball is going to fall in as you do with BA. Personally, I like the outfield with Dye, Erstad and Pods with Ozuna and Mac as subs. That way they can bring E. Perez up as 1B/DH. Send BA back to AAA.

Regardless of CF and the outfield rotations Ozzie will put together, I would love to see what Perez could do DHing against the tough lefties. Thome hit at some ridiculous average and slugging last year against righties (something like 330/660) but was god awful against lefties.

Dye. I don't know what gives you the idea that Dye may not hit as many HRs as last year. Is he not healthy? Is he having a bad ST? Is his stroke changed? Does he lack motivation? He came very close to winning the MVP. I do think his move to the 3 hole in the lineup helped his power numbers last year, especially RBIs, but he can produce out of the 5 hole too. I think he will lead the way rhis year on the Sox - for three players hitting 40 or more HRs. I see this guy playing like Thome for the next 5 years. And he'll probably earn a Ton of money, playing for some other team.:(

Dye's a beast, plain and simple. Both he and Greg Walker have stated that he didn't have a chance to break out in Oakland because he was forced to take pitches, work the count and all that Billy Beane OBP bullshit instead of just hitting the ball. He's healthy, motivated and can rake. The only thing to consider is, did he have Jim Thome, Paul Konerko, Joe Crede and AJP in the lineup with him in Oakland? I am sure he sees a lot more hittable pitches than he did in Oakland's lineup. But.. I don't think there's a reason to suspect any regression from JD, not yet at least. He's 33, its not like he's passing 40. I just hope he can hold up for 150 or so games out in right field. Like I said before... it doesn't matter who is leading off for the Sox... Mackowiak, Erstad, Iguchi, whoever... as long as the feared Dye/Thome/Konerko trio is following, lots of runs will score.

[the fluffer]

spring training=what is going to happen in the regular season

If so, should we expect lots of gay posts from you in the regular season as well?? :eek: :D

[fquaye14ten]

you should know by now...the answer's yes

[the fluffer]

you're like that Lipman guy.. you never quote anyone when you post.

[fquaye14ten]

DaleJR:

I just talked with Mark Cohonio of the CHicago Evening Post and he reminded me of a Sox player from 1937. Maybe you remember him?

[the fluffer]

you forgot to sign your post.


Gene

[JohnBasedowYoda]

I can't fathom how people who've watched baseball for decades still don't know stuff like that which make ST results totally irrelevant.

I don't even watch ST and I know that.

Is there anything you don't know?


What's the molecular weight of iodine?

[zmz]

This thread has certainly gone downhill after a promising start. :shrug:

[EvilleFan]

Dye shattered the hell out of his previous career highs in power numbers, plus he's in his 30s and has an injury prone past. He can do it again, sure, but given those circumstances, I wouldn't bet him having another year like last. I'd expect something more like his 2005--.280 30 90 or somewhere around there, if healthy.

Thanks for your comments. At least you have a basis for your comments- his health, his injury prone past. But those are circumstances that do not exist. If healthy? Dye? Wow. You must be blind.

As far as an injury prone past, I am not sure that is quite his history. He did suffer a major injury in Oakland. But, Dye has shown no signs of injury during his two years in Chicago. So it is more believable that the "injury prone" label is in the past. He's healthy and is more likely to repeat 2006 stats than what you hope for.

The only thing that may affect his numbers is the likelihood that he will bat in the 5 hole all year. However, I am betting that Dye, Thome and Konerko all hit 40.

[fquaye14ten]

Thanks for your comments. At least you have a basis for your comments- his health, his injury prone past. But those are circumstances that do not exist. If healthy? Dye? Wow. You must be blind.

As far as an injury prone past, I am not sure that is quite his history. He did suffer a major injury in Oakland. But, Dye has shown no signs of injury during his two years in Chicago. So it is more believable that the "injury prone" label is in the past. He's healthy and is more likely to repeat 2006 stats than what you hope for.

The only thing that may affect his numbers is the likelihood that he will bat in the 5 hole all year. However, I am betting that Dye, Thome and Konerko all hit 40.

You're going to lose that bet. Look at their career #'s. Only Thome is a GOOD bet to hit 40+ and he's what? 37? So he's NOT really a great bet

[EvilleFan]

Even in your good posts you sound like a condescending shit. You need to work on your communication skills.

You need some work yourself. If I sound condescending, you must really have personality issues.A little insecurity, huh? That probably explains "the little bully boy" that peaks through your posts. Blow it out the other end. Talk baseball.

[EvilleFan]

You're going to lose that bet. Look at their career #'s. Only Thome is a GOOD bet to hit 40+ and he's what? 37? So he's NOT really a great bet

Good point about career numbers. I didn't say it would be a good bet, or a sure thing. I am optimistic in ST, like all real fans. You are right, none of the metrics would indicate that any of them will hit 40 in 2007. But I bet that you too could make a case for any of them to hit 40, regardless of the career #s.

Thanks for making a baseball response.

[EvilleFan]

Gosh, is that all you can do? Call people names?

I can see how you are confused about condescension. You said "Even in your good posts you sound like a condescending shit. You need to work on your communication skills". You describe yourself. That probably is also true when you use the terms shit and prick.

Further, I thought I made it pretty clear that I don't care what you think. I don't care how you want to characterize my posts either. I am here to talk baseball. If you don't like it bitch, take it on in.

Apologies to anybody reading this crap, but this guy is a piece of work.

[Unregistered]

Thanks for your comments. At least you have a basis for your comments- his health, his injury prone past. But those are circumstances that do not exist. If healthy? Dye? Wow. You must be blind.

As far as an injury prone past, I am not sure that is quite his history. He did suffer a major injury in Oakland. But, Dye has shown no signs of injury during his two years in Chicago. So it is more believable that the "injury prone" label is in the past. He's healthy and is more likely to repeat 2006 stats than what you hope for.

Dye has had 2 fantastic seasons since coming to the White Sox - and we're incredibly lucky for that. But I don't think you become less injury prone the older you get. That's just biology. So 2 years of no injury, while great, also means two years older, and therefore more prone to injury. And since JD DID have a major injury a few years ago, that's always going to be a concern.

[EvilleFan]

You're right. He is two years older and playing a sport where anybody at any age can suffer injury. But from your comment, I don't think you would describe Dye as injury prone, either. If you could sign him today to a five year contract at $75 - 80 million, would you or wouldn't you?

I guess I just see him as healthy, we'll actually, he's a beast. But there is a difference between an "injury prone" player and one that gets injured. Pods is the definition of injury prone, Rowand is a picture of injury prone - god love him. Dye seems a lot healthier. And he's not that old is he. What 35 maybe. I was just making that point in response to Zoso's comments.

[EvilleFan]

Pretty much. I tried above to "talk baseball" with you above and we saw how that went.

I don't follow? I appreciated your response and I thought I gave a straightforward response to you? Dye is neither injury prone nor unhealthy. He's played an average of 140 games the last three years. Now an injury could occur this year, but other than he is getting older (it turns out he was 33 at the end of January), what real basis is there for such a statement. I just refuted that in my comment.

While I did make a comment about how you must be blind (sorry, if that offended in any way) if you thought him unhealthy, I did not flame out on you and call you any names or anything. I just gave you my opinion and view of it. I just didn't buy into your characterization of Dye as unheathy or injury prone.

Look, I am not going to change or anything, and I know you are a moderator and have some sort of ownership feelings, etc. but I am only here to fill in the time between seasons; to "hear any news or gossip about the Sox; and, to talk baseball. There are several folks who post on this board that I'd like to "talk baseball with"; but I don't have to do it here or anywhere for that matter. I'll get enough in 2 or 3 weeks when the season starts. So you make the call Zoso. We drop this boring shit and move on, I'll stay; otherwise, I am out of here.

[Myrtle]

Look, I am not going to change or anything, and I know you are a moderator and have some sort of ownership feelings, etc. but I am only here to fill in the time between seasons; to "hear any news or gossip about the Sox; and, to talk baseball. There are several folks who post on this board that I'd like to "talk baseball with"; but I don't have to do it here or anywhere for that matter. I'll get enough in 2 or 3 weeks when the season starts. So you make the call Zoso. We drop this boring shit and move on, I'll stay; otherwise, I am out of here.

Just FYI, a lot of us are friends and some people on here have been posting together on various message boards for years. While we all came together because of our love for everything Sox, we don't always talk about the Sox all the time, especially during Spring Training when there isn't quite as much to talk about ... yada yada yada.

My point is, the Locker Room threads and stupidity are probably never going to go away. I honestly feel like people have been creating more Sox related threads just for people like you who have been complaining about it so I honestly don't understand the issue here anyway.

In fact, it looks like you don't have a single thread in the Sox Dugout. What the hell? You have the nerve to bitch at us for not posting more about the Sox when you haven't even made one thread to contribute to your cause? In fact, it seems like even you aren't posting about the Sox. If you go through your posts you'll see that most of them are just complaining about this board. If you hate it so much, fuckin' leave already.

[EvilleFan]

Just FYI, a lot of us are friends ... yada yada yada.

My point is, the Locker Room threads and stupidity are probably never going to go away. I honestly feel like people have been creating more Sox related threads just for people like you who have been complaining about it so I honestly don't understand the issue here anyway.

In fact, it looks like you don't have a single thread in the Sox Dugout. What the hell? You have the nerve to bitch at us for not posting more about the Sox when you haven't even made one thread to contribute to your cause? In fact, it seems like even you aren't posting about the Sox. If you go through your posts you'll see that most of them are just complaining about this board. If you hate it so much, fuckin' leave already.

What a twit. Are they all like this?

Thanks. FYI. The only person I have "bitched" at is that idiot Zoso. And that was not about the lack of Sox related threads, but about his comments. I don't even know what the hell you are talking about, and I suspect you don't either. I spend so little time on this site - I have only @ 50 posts and I doubt that I would have had that many if this clown Zoso had not persisted with homosexual fervor in continuing a stupid argument.

Except for one or two posts, The Sox Dugout is the only place I have posted on his site. So you are mistaken. I tried to keep to baseball.

The other places on this site are slightly scummy and chummy,(sort of like a circle jerk of people who are trying very hard) - not very attractive to the casual visitor. Which is why you folks will always have trouble attracting real baseball fans to your site. Of course, that "bitchy brand of chuminess is probably what you all find attractive in each other. But it does come off as a bunch of juveniles running a third rate sleaze bag site. You say you came together because you love all things White Sox, but it's really more than that, isn't it? Isn't your little clique more misfit than example? I see very little love and very little baseball here. My advice is to put yourselves in a backroom somewhere private and keep the public areas of this site nice and clean; and, for god's sake, do develop Sox related threads for the people who stumble in the door ( that's supposed to be the Moderators job). Otherwise, you'll remain a site for a just a few "friends and some people on here have been posting together on various message boards for years."

[fquaye14ten]

why do you feel the need to attack people?

your posts aren't awful---in fact a lot of them have decent points. if you'd just stop being an asshole, you'd probably get along pretty well with the people you're "beefing" with

[Unregistered]

What a twit. Are they all like this?

Thanks. FYI. The only person I have "bitched" at is that idiot Zoso. And that was not about the lack of Sox related threads, but about his comments. I don't even know what the hell you are talking about, and I suspect you don't either. I spend so little time on this site - I have only @ 50 posts and I doubt that I would have had that many if this clown Zoso had not persisted with homosexual fervor in continuing a stupid argument.

The other places on this site are slightly scummy and chummy,(sort of like a circle jerk of people who are trying very hard) - not very attractive to the casual visitor. Which is why you folks will always have trouble attracting real baseball fans to your site. Of course, that "bitchy brand of chuminess is probably what you all find attractive in each other. But it does come off as a bunch of juveniles running a third rate sleaze bag site. You say you came together because you love all things White Sox, but it's really more than that, isn't it? Isn't your little clique more misfit than example? I see very little love and very little baseball here. My advice is to put yourselves in a backroom somewhere private and keep the public areas of this site nice and clean; and, for god's sake, do develop Sox related threads for the people who stumble in the door ( that's supposed to be the Moderators job). Otherwise, you'll remain a site for a just a few "friends and some people on here have been posting together on various message boards for years."


why do you feel the need to attack people?

your posts aren't awful---in fact a lot of them have decent points. if you'd just stop being an asshole, you'd probably get along pretty well with the people you're "beefing" with

Bingo. Stop being a fucking asshole and calling Mods "bitch" and maybe people won't THINK you're an asshole, Eville. It's pretty simple. We're trying our hardest not to ban people around here, and you're really doing a great job of forcing us to throw that practice out the window. There's plenty of other places to get into internet fights and counter everyone's posts with insults - this happens to be one filled with people who are happy to dish it right back to you after you post.

Talk White Sox baseball and shut the fuck up. Don't tell us our other forums are "scummy." If you don't like it, tell your story walking. If you think for a second we need your "insight," you've never been more mistaken in your life.

Good day, sir.

[oeo]

Dye shattered the hell out of his previous career highs in power numbers, plus he's in his 30s and has an injury prone past. He can do it again, sure, but given those circumstances, I wouldn't bet him having another year like last. I'd expect something more like his 2005--.280 30 90 or somewhere around there, if healthy.

A lot has to do with being in an A's uniform. He's a lot more free here in what he has to do than he was in Oakland. He was a beast in the second half of 2005, which carried into the playoffs and then into 2006. I see no reason why he cannot continue that (maybe not last year's numbers, but close to them).

Maybe they were freak injuries? He hasn't had a serious injury in three years. If he was injury prone, then he would have ongoing problems, which he hasn't. Griffey...he's injury prone; Dye hasn't had injury problems in a few of years, so I think he injury prone tag should be taken off.

[fquaye14ten]

there's two sides to this

a.) DYE IS NOT INJURY "prone".

b.) Dye played out of his mind last year and ismore likely to revert to his 05 #'s which are much closer to his career avg, than to put up something like his 06 #'s

[SoxFan76]

Someone mentioned Erstad is going to beat out Anderson for the center field spot.

I just wanted to point out he is hitting .276 with 2 doubles and a homer. Not a bad spring by any means.

[Myrtle]

Bingo. Stop being a fucking asshole and calling Mods "bitch" and maybe people won't THINK you're an asshole, Eville. It's pretty simple. We're trying our hardest not to ban people around here, and you're really doing a great job of forcing us to throw that practice out the window. There's plenty of other places to get into internet fights and counter everyone's posts with insults - this happens to be one filled with people who are happy to dish it right back to you after you post.

Talk White Sox baseball and shut the fuck up. Don't tell us our other forums are "scummy." If you don't like it, tell your story walking. If you think for a second we need your "insight," you've never been more mistaken in your life.

Good day, sir.

One of your best posts, ever. :rock:

[Unregistered]

One of your best posts, ever. :rock:

Man, I was so drunk. But I think my point was made. :shrug: :D

[fquaye14ten]

SPRING BREAK 07!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Unregistered]

SPRING BREAK 07!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

More like Spring Broke!

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[StockdaleforVeep]

What a twit. Are they all like this?

Thanks. FYI. The only person I have "bitched" at is that idiot Zoso. And that was not about the lack of Sox related threads, but about his comments. I don't even know what the hell you are talking about, and I suspect you don't either. I spend so little time on this site - I have only @ 50 posts and I doubt that I would have had that many if this clown Zoso had not persisted with homosexual fervor in continuing a stupid argument.

Except for one or two posts, The Sox Dugout is the only place I have posted on his site. So you are mistaken. I tried to keep to baseball.

The other places on this site are slightly scummy and chummy,(sort of like a circle jerk of people who are trying very hard) - not very attractive to the casual visitor. Which is why you folks will always have trouble attracting real baseball fans to your site. Of course, that "bitchy brand of chuminess is probably what you all find attractive in each other. But it does come off as a bunch of juveniles running a third rate sleaze bag site. You say you came together because you love all things White Sox, but it's really more than that, isn't it? Isn't your little clique more misfit than example? I see very little love and very little baseball here. My advice is to put yourselves in a backroom somewhere private and keep the public areas of this site nice and clean; and, for god's sake, do develop Sox related threads for the people who stumble in the door ( that's supposed to be the Moderators job). Otherwise, you'll remain a site for a just a few "friends and some people on here have been posting together on various message boards for years."

bump

zoso called an idiot....
:rolling:

[the fluffer]

Bumping threads is against the rules. See you in a week.

[StockdaleforVeep]

Bumping threads is against the rules. See you in a week.

:sirrealist:
Fucking Fascists