Would you ban Vick for life??

[IowaBAHater]

If you were the commish would you ban Vick for life? If I were Roger Goodell I would wait until he gets convicted and tell him :hello: for life. Make an example out of his thug ass. Make him the Pete Rose of football. Or you could ban him for 10 years and watch his old ass get the shit beat out of him if he tries to make a comeback.:shrug:

[StockdaleforVeep]

No

Despite him being a scumbag, i feel what a player does off the field should have no repercussions in the sport

Just like pete rose should not be banned

[Prope]

Depends on what the courts decide. I'm very interested in seeing what is going to happen with Vick and his arraignment/trial. I see no way in which he doesn't serve jail time. I think the length of that term is what will determine his NFL suspension.

No

Despite him being a scumbag, i feel what a player does off the field should have no repercussions in the sport

Just like pete rose should not be banned
Not surprisingly, you're wrong about this. I'll quote from an article I posted in the other Vick thread....
I don’t want to hear about due process right now. Would anybody in any other walk of life be allowed to continue working if these charges were leveled against him by the federal government?

A police officer being accused of assault would be put on administrative leave.

A truck driver accused of reckless driving would be suspended, pending charges.

A teacher accused of having an affair with a student would suddenly disappear.
How would a trucking company look if they allowed a driver who had a dui to continue working? How would a school district look if they let a convicted child molester teach?

Vick is an employee of the NFL, a billion-dollar industry that has an image to protect. Goodell is trying to do that, and that his why he would be banned.

[samram]

^ Agreed. I think they'll wait for the trial before deciding whether a lifetime ban would be imposed or not, although I'm not sure jail time will be necessary for him to get a very long suspension/ban. A lot of people lose their jobs when they get probation or community service.

[Prope]

^ Agreed. I think they'll wait for the trial before deciding whether a lifetime ban would be imposed or not, although I'm not sure jail time will be necessary for him to get a very long suspension/ban. A lot of people lose their jobs when they get probation or community service.
Well I think I should clear up something about the jail time. No, jail time won't necessarily mean he is going to be suspended for say, 3 years or even banned for life. I think him going to jail will indirectly suspend him because not too many teams are going to sign an ex-con who did that to animals. And if not keep him off NFL rosters all together, it will greatly decrease his pay.

[gbergman]

His NFL ban shopuld run along with his prison sentence

[buehrlebabe]

Depends on what the courts decide. I'm very interested in seeing what is going to happen with Vick and his arraignment/trial. I see no way in which he doesn't serve jail time. I think the length of that term is what will determine his NFL suspension.


Not surprisingly, you're wrong about this. I'll quote from an article I posted in the other Vick thread....

How would a trucking company look if they allowed a driver who had a dui to continue working? How would a school district look if they let a convicted child molester teach?

Vick is an employee of the NFL, a billion-dollar industry that has an image to protect. Goodell is trying to do that, and that his why he would be banned.

i heart prope, very nice arguement. I agree.

[Prope]

I hope his lawyer advised him to enter the guilty plea.

[fquaye14ten]

i wouldn't ban him cuz frankly :shrug:

if he's convicted, he won't be playing anyway. if he's not, whatever.

i wouldn't run my league like a pussy-fag

[Bonzosa]

There will be no lifetime ban, all you need to do is ban him for two/three years and in the end he will never be a starter again. Nobody will want him.
The NFL will move on sans Vick...if he is convicted, this all hinges on that.
Otherwise, if vindicated, he won't be back as a starter until the second half of the season.

[SABRSox]

I'd say a lifetime ban is a bit harsh, but depending on the court's decision, anywhere between 1-3 years sounds about right.

[Prope]

I'd say a lifetime ban is a bit harsh, but depending on the court's decision, anywhere between 1-3 years sounds about right.
Sad thing is, if it is 1-3 years, he'll probably end up in jail for something else.

[BFC]

I hope his lawyer advised him to enter the guilty plea.

The feds rarely lose these cases. But honestly, if Vick enters guilty, then Goodell will suspend him anywhere from one year to lifetime (more likely somewhere near lifetime). Vick's career is on the line with this case, and if he can somehow finagle a "not guilty" verdict out of the judge, his career will be saved. He really has nothing to lose by putting in a not guilty plea, because either way, if convicted, he's screwed.

[Prope]

The feds rarely lose these cases. But honestly, if Vick enters guilty, then Goodell will suspend him anywhere from one year to lifetime (more likely somewhere near lifetime). Vick's career is on the line with this case, and if he can somehow finagle a "not guilty" verdict out of the judge, his career will be saved. He really has nothing to lose by putting in a not guilty plea, because either way, if convicted, he's screwed.
I think accepting a punishment, coupled with his superstardom (where that comes from I have no idea) might give him some leniency from Goodell.

ESPN reporter-lady just said bomb-sniffing dogs were brought into the courthouse.

EDIT: He pleaded not guilty.

[StockdaleforVeep]

Depends on what the courts decide. I'm very interested in seeing what is going to happen with Vick and his arraignment/trial. I see no way in which he doesn't serve jail time. I think the length of that term is what will determine his NFL suspension.


Not surprisingly, you're wrong about this. I'll quote from an article I posted in the other Vick thread....

How would a trucking company look if they allowed a driver who had a dui to continue working? How would a school district look if they let a convicted child molester teach?

Vick is an employee of the NFL, a billion-dollar industry that has an image to protect. Goodell is trying to do that, and that his why he would be banned.

Those crimes you listed are done during they are working

If vick had dogs fighting in the lockeroom or on the 50 yard line, it would be diff

I disagree with how sports are trying to regulate conduct off the field, for the good or bad

[Prope]

Those crimes you listed are done during they are working

If vick had dogs fighting in the lockeroom or on the 50 yard line, it would be diff

I disagree with how sports are trying to regulate conduct off the field, for the good or bad
Man I'm talking about a truck driver getting a dui in his home vehicle. He still is going to be suspended from his job, if not fired.

[samram]

Those crimes you listed are done during they are working

If vick had dogs fighting in the lockeroom or on the 50 yard line, it would be diff

I disagree with how sports are trying to regulate conduct off the field, for the good or bad

Like it or not, employees are representatives of the organizations they work for. Two guys I went to law school with were fairly recently convicted of second-degree reckless endangerment and sexual gratification in public (through a plea deal after being charged with multiple counts of sexual assault). They were fired from their quite lucrative jobs- should they have been allowed to stay because it happened in Wisconsin on a Friday night instead of in one of their Chicago offices?

[StockdaleforVeep]

Man I'm talking about a truck driver getting a dui in his home vehicle. He still is going to be suspended from his job, if not fired.

If u have a cdl u are under diff standards, if u are caught with a .04, u can be dui'd

But, Dog fighting has nothing to do with the nfl does it

Like it or not, employees are representatives of the organizations they work for. Two guys I went to law school with were fairly recently convicted of second-degree reckless endangerment and sexual gratification in public (through a plea deal after being charged with multiple counts of sexual assault). They were fired from their quite lucrative jobs- should they have been allowed to stay because it happened in Wisconsin on a Friday night instead of in one of their Chicago offices?

I am discussing sport here and sport is a diff entity.

Its just like pete rose, its a disgrace that he is not in the hall or recognized as one of the greatest of all time because he gambled(never said he threw games, just that he bet)

Recognize the accomplishments, not the actions off the field

[Prope]

If u have a cdl u are under diff standards, if u are caught with a .04, u can be dui'd

But, Dog fighting has nothing to do with the nfl does it



I am discussing sport here and sport is a diff entity.

Its just like pete rose, its a disgrace that he is not in the hall or recognized as one of the greatest of all time because he gambled(never said he threw games, just that he bet)

Recognize the accomplishments, not the actions off the field
This coming from the same guy who thinks Bonds is guilty. A little fucking consistency here Stockdale. You can't be against what Bonds did off the field, and not think the same thing for Vick. Both taking steroids without a doctors prescription (Bonds) and dogfighting (Vick) are illegal.

Again, some fucking consistency.

Also, who fucking cares what the limit is if you have a cdl. The point is, if they are away from the truck they use for work and given a dui, they can be fired.

What don't you understand about this?

[fquaye14ten]

Like it or not, employees are representatives of the organizations they work for. Two guys I went to law school with were fairly recently convicted of second-degree reckless endangerment and sexual gratification in public (through a plea deal after being charged with multiple counts of sexual assault). They were fired from their quite lucrative jobs- should they have been allowed to stay because it happened in Wisconsin on a Friday night instead of in one of their Chicago offices?

they were getting road head i take it?

[samram]

I am discussing sport here and sport is a diff entity.

Its just like pete rose, its a disgrace that he is not in the hall or recognized as one of the greatest of all time because he gambled(never said he threw games, just that he bet)

Recognize the accomplishments, not the actions off the field

Why is sport different?

[fquaye14ten]

they were getting road head i take it?

answer my question carolina boy

[samram]

they were getting road head i take it?

No. They were facing 60 years for false imprisonment and rape.

[StockdaleforVeep]

Why is sport different?

Why are they held to diff standards than regular citizens

[Prope]

No. They were facing 60 years for false imprisonment and rape.
So a little worse huh?

Why are they held to diff standards than regular citizens
If you are worried about athletes and regular people being held to different standards, then shouldn't you be more wanting Vick to be banned?

Again, what is with your consistency problems?

[samram]

So a little worse huh?

Yeah, it sounded pretty bad. You can google it pretty easily to see stories on the case.


If you are worried about athletes and regular people being held to different standards, then shouldn't you be more wanting Vick to be banned?

Again, what is with your consistency problems?

Yeah, I don't get what he's talking about. Haven't we been the ones arguing that he should be held to standard similar to what anybody else would be?

[fquaye14ten]

No. They were facing 60 years for false imprisonment and rape.

ooh that's worse!

[maurice]

Everybody pleads "not guilty" at their arraignment. It's a total non-event.

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Cops are a bad example of employee discipline. Chicago police officers are "accused of assault" all the time. Literally 99 out of 100 times, the CPD doesn't take any action against them.

It helps if you have a videotape of them beating your 90 lb. female bartending ass, though even then they get paid leave and the charges don't get upgraded to their proper level until / unless the tape is leaked to the media.

An independent prosecutor recently determined that several Chicago police detectives almost certainly tortured a number of innocent people over a period of years. I recently spoke with one of them. The ring leader is Florida, retired and collecting his pension.

[MSquad]

Yeah, it sounded pretty bad. You can google it pretty easily to see stories on the case. A lot of people aren't very happy with the judge in that case.

[samram]

A lot of people aren't very happy with the judge in that case.

Yeah, it was a somewhat unusual move, although I guess it's not unheard of. It did seem as if he gave them a bit of a break because they're attorneys though.

[soxwon]

^ Agreed. I think they'll wait for the trial before deciding whether a lifetime ban would be imposed or not, although I'm not sure jail time will be necessary for him to get a very long suspension/ban. A lot of people lose their jobs when they get probation or community service.

Vick is still a better Qb behind bars, than GRoss-Man is on the field!!!

[Prope]

Yeah, I don't get what he's talking about. Haven't we been the ones arguing that he should be held to standard similar to what anybody else would be?
:shrug:

:Samram rules the thread:

Vick is still a better Qb behind bars, than GRoss-Man is on the field!!!
:sighs:

[Timmy D's]

I think we should bury this whole thing like a dog bone in the backyard. I mean after all, Michael Vick is a Super Star punk athlete, what he does off the field does not matter. He should be allowed to kill people at will, and him alone be the judge and jury and executioner of any situation he happens upon. If he elects to kill someone or something, that's the way it shall be written. We shall all bow down in the presence of Mr. Vick and OJ Simpson, and thank them for allowing us peons to live yet another day in their world.

[fquaye14ten]

i love you timmy d, but i do not love hyperbole

vick's crime is vick's crime. if you really believe hurting dogs is equivalent to hurting people, that's fine, but then why try to trump it up in other people's eyes by comparig it to murder?

if you really believe that killing dogs is tantamount to killing humans, then it should speak for itself to just deal with what vick ACTUALLY did, right?

[Timmy D's]

I'll buy that Fquaye. In no way are the 2 crimes on the same level, I agree. Although both made me sick. Bothe heinous barbaric acts, although, yes on different levels. Ya get my drift though I hope, that I think they are both scumbags!!