Illinois state smoking ban signed into law

[itsnotrequired]

Starts in January. Choke on it.

[infinite1]

wow.... you are super late with this one

[fquaye14ten]

i will battle sabrsox to the death

[itsnotrequired]

wow.... you are super late with this one

i am not bound by time

and it was just signed this afternoon, how am i late?

[StockdaleforVeep]

Hm, and i thought liberals were for the preservation of the rights of citizens

[itsnotrequired]

Hm, and i thought liberals were for the preservation of the rights of citizens

i'm a selfish guy who doesn't like being around smoke. therefore, i win.

[StockdaleforVeep]

i'm a selfish guy who doesn't like being around smoke. therefore, i win.

: oksabr:

[soxwon]

Dec. 31, 2007, I commit hara kiri on the Dan Ryan.

so at midnight on rush street NYE, anyone smoking will be arrested?
Am i right on this perception?
Im not a smoker, but i think smokers are getting a raw deal.

[StockdaleforVeep]

so at midnight on rush street NYE, anyone smoking will be arrested?
Am i right on this perception?
Im not a smoker, but i think smokers are getting a raw deal.

like to see them enforce it
most cops will be smokin too

[SABRSox]

i will battle sabrsox to the death
:shrug:

[Hangar18]

so at midnight on rush street NYE, anyone smoking will be arrested?
Am i right on this perception?
Im not a smoker, but i think smokers are getting a raw deal.

Smoking is not Illegal. Smoking IN PUBLIC PLACES will be illegal.
Hundreds of Chicago area bars will soon go out of business is what the tobacco industry would like you to believe ......

[StockdaleforVeep]

Smoking is not Illegal. Smoking IN PUBLIC PLACES will be illegal.
Hundreds of Chicago area bars will soon go out of business is what the tobacco industry would like you to believe ......

Im not so annoyed with the bar issue, moreso the issue of it being public

I mean hell, is comiskey really better that they hurdle all the smokers in an enclosed concourse to condense the smoke rather than smoke regularly in an outdoor event

[cheeses_h_rice]

Hm, and i thought liberals were for the preservation of the rights of citizens

Pretty pissed that your right to commit murder was taken away a while back, too?

:shrug:

[StockdaleforVeep]

Pretty pissed that your right to commit murder was taken away a while back, too?

:shrug:

where is that

[soxwon]

Smoking is not Illegal. Smoking IN PUBLIC PLACES will be illegal.
Hundreds of Chicago area bars will soon go out of business is what the tobacco industry would like you to believe ......

im saying IN the bars on NYE- everyone's gonna stop- Yea right!!!

[Deuce]

Thank God for the government... I mean, who wants to smell like smoke from going to a bar... that is not what I go to a bar for... now I can drive to a bar, get totally wasted and pick up women with loose morals for a night of unprotected sex without fear of getting lung cancer in the distant future.

Deuce

[itsnotrequired]

Im not so annoyed with the bar issue, moreso the issue of it being public

I mean hell, is comiskey really better that they hurdle all the smokers in an enclosed concourse to condense the smoke rather than smoke regularly in an outdoor event

What "enclosed concourses"? You mean the open-air ramps, a hundred feet from the seating area? Get murdered...

[fquaye14ten]

Thank God for the government... I mean, who wants to smell like smoke from going to a bar... that is not what I go to a bar for... now I can drive to a bar, get totally wasted and pick up women with loose morals for a night of unprotected sex without fear of getting lung cancer in the distant future.

Deuce

:deucerules:

[StockdaleforVeep]

What "enclosed concourses"? You mean the open-air ramps, a hundred feet from the seating area? Get murdered...

Where do u think people on 100 level smoke? They go to the concourse and you have the ramp above you and sides, all you have is that side outlet to disperse the smoke

zoso almost wasnt let back in since i had the grifted ticket

[StockdaleforVeep]

Our only major quarrel's with your total lack of morals.

are you talking about the bordello?

[MSquad]

i'm a selfish guy who doesn't like being around smoke. therefore, i win. Then I guess you won't mind when they strap you down and force tofu and seaweed down your throat. It's for your own good you know.

[Efilnikufesin]

Hm, and i thought liberals were for the preservation of the rights of citizens

This is not as bad as when they took away my rights to put dead babies on spikes and sell them.. That was just outright mean man..

[fquaye14ten]

or what about when they tk r jrbs

[Iwritecode]

Thank God for the government... I mean, who wants to smell like smoke from going to a bar... that is not what I go to a bar for... now I can drive to a bar, get totally wasted and pick up women with loose morals for a night of unprotected sex without fear of getting lung cancer in the distant future.

Deuce

I already did that one. (http://www.soxandthecity.net/forums/showpost.php?p=38555&postcount=191) ;)

:lastweek:

[itsnotrequired]

Then I guess you won't mind when they strap you down and force tofu and seaweed down your throat. It's for your own good you know.

What does that even mean? No one is currently getting strapped down and having anything stuffed down their throats.

[Prope]

What does that even mean? No one is currently getting strapped down and having anything stuffed down their throats.
Obviously you didn't read the new law well enough then....

[fquaye14ten]

What does that even mean? No one is currently getting strapped down and having anything stuffed down their throats.

congratulations, melvwad, you just summed up exactly why the smoking ban is gay as shit.

[Prope]

I've heard tofu is high in sodium, so I think they would choose something else.

Can anybody else confirm??

[Beer Can Chicken]

This is an excellent law and I can't wait for Jan 1st.

I'm tired of smelling like smoke when I come home from the tavern. I'm tired of not being able to breathe when I come home from the tavern.

I loved being in Cali and get hammered in a smoke free tavern.

[TeeDeeGee]

congratulations, melvwad, you just summed up exactly why the smoking ban is gay as shit.

There's a slight difference.
Me standing next to you and smoking is not the same as me standing next to you and eating junk food.

[Deuce]

http://paulmccain.worldmagblog.com/paulmccain/slippery.jpg

"Caution: Slippery Slope Ahead"

[itsnotrequired]

congratulations, melvwad, you just summed up exactly why the smoking ban is gay as shit.

what r u talking about?

[CaptainBallz]

Smoking ban supporters are such wieners... You're not grown up enough for the bar so stop going..

Stay home. Watch TV. Go to the park. Visit your folks. Read a book. Don't go to the bar and STFU.

[fquaye14ten]

what r u talking about?

no one's forcing people to go to bars. no one's forcing cigarette smoke down anyone's lungs.

i assume you would admit your going to bars is an indulgence not a necessity.

e.g. the smoking ban is gay as shit

There's a slight difference.
Me standing next to you and smoking is not the same as me standing next to you and eating junk food.

what's your point? you can be at the majority of places in america and never even smell cigarette smoke. bowling alleys and bars are pretty much the only places where you would have to breathe it.

if you're worried about it, don't go there. or move to chicago, bastion of stupid laws like the foie gras ban and the smoking ban

Smoking ban supporters are such weiners... You're not grown up enough for the bar so stop going..

Stay home. Watch TV. Go to the park. Visit your folks. Read a book. Don't go to the bar and STFU.

www.ballzrulez.com

[itsnotrequired]

no one's forcing people to go to bars. no one's forcing cigarette smoke down anyone's lungs.

i assume you would admit your going to bars is an indulgence not a necessity.

e.g. the smoking ban is gay as shit

I didn't go to bars much before the ban and probably won't go any more often after the ban is in place. I'll probably have a more enjoyable experience when I do go, however.

The "tied down" analogy blows as no one is forcing non-smokers to go to bars just like no one is forcing people to smoke. Smokers can still smoke but just have to take it outside. If a restaurant went tofu and forced meat-eaters to eat outside, I would eat outside, change my habits and eat tofu or just not go there at all.

[SoxFan76]

Smoking ban supporters are such weiners... You're not grown up enough for the bar so stop going..

Stay home. Watch TV. Go to the park. Visit your folks. Read a book. Don't go to the bar and STFU.

Exactly.

Go to a bar and tell me what percentage smoke. There's a lot. This is going to make for awkward situations now in the winter when everyone is going to have to crowd outside just to smoke. Not all places have beer gardens.

Don't tell me you go home not being able to breathe. Are you staring directly into the face of the smoker and inhaling? They have smoke boxes that let out the smoke in all bars. Most bars are open enough that you're not clouded in smoke.

[CaptainBallz]

The "tied down" analogy blows as no one is forcing non-smokers to go to bars just like no one is forcing people to smoke. Smokers can still smoke but just have to take it outside. If a restaurant went tofu and forced meat-eaters to eat outside, I would eat outside, change my habits and eat tofu or just not go there at all.

But bars are being FORCED to NOT allow smoking in their establishments which are places where people historically drink and SMOKE.

If NON-SMOKERS don't like it, then NON-SMOKERS can find somewhere else to go, not have their environment catered to their stuffy tastes.

p.s. I don't normally smoke, but I know when people are being wieners...

p.p.s Take your Risk turn

[itsnotrequired]

Exactly.

Go to a bar and tell me what percentage smoke. There's a lot. This is going to make for awkward situations now in the winter when everyone is going to have to crowd outside just to smoke. Not all places have beer gardens.

Don't tell me you go home not being able to breathe. Are you staring directly into the face of the smoker and inhaling? They have smoke boxes that let out the smoke in all bars. Most bars are open enough that you're not clouded in smoke.

I hear no one goes to bars in the winter anymore in Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, Rhode Island, Utah, Vermont, Washington and countless other communities/counties. This doesn't count "warm climate" states where going outside in winter isn't a big deal.

Illinois, Minnesota, Montana, New Hampshire and Oregon have similar laws going into effect in the next couple years.

The writing is on the wall, folks...

[fquaye14ten]

wieners suck. it's exactly right--you say "smokers can just change their habit." but that's exactly what the problem is: they're the fucking majority at bars and it's the little pube-sniffs who can't hack it who are squeaking the loudest

fuck them and fuck chicago with their gaybag libbie interest group bans (FOIE GRAS!!!!)

[SoxFan76]

Who said anything about people not going to bars?

It's just going to be pointlessly difficult for "downtown" bars (not Chicago, but anywhere) that are right off the main drag and don't have fancy beer gardens. Your typical dives. Now 20 people are going to be lined up and down the street smoking. All because a few pussies can't handle a room with smokers?

This law is ridiculous and pointless.

[itsnotrequired]

But bars are being FORCED to NOT allow smoking in their establishments which are places where people historically drink and SMOKE.

If NON-SMOKERS don't like it, then NON-SMOKERS can find somewhere else to go, not have their environment catered to their stuffy tastes.

p.s. I don't normally smoke, but I know when people are being wieners...

p.p.s Take your Risk turn

But that is a BUSINESS having something forced on them, not an INDIVIDUAL.

p.p.s I gave up on that crappy game. Everyone is too slow.

Who said anything about people not going to bars?

It's just going to be pointlessly difficult for "downtown" bars (not Chicago, but anywhere) that are right off the main drag and don't have fancy beer gardens. Your typical dives. Now 20 people are going to be lined up and down the street smoking. All because a few pussies can't handle a room with smokers?

This law is ridiculous and pointless.

Sorry, I should have said "not go out to smoke". Plenty of cold-weather states already have these laws and people still puff away. The same thing will happen here. There will be an adjustment period but soon enough, it will become regular habit and only grumps will still complain.

[CaptainBallz]

But that is a BUSINESS having something forced on them, not an INDIVIDUAL.

p.p.s I gave up on that crappy game. Everyone is too slow.

That's a pointless distinction. It's being forced on businesses that in turn have to force it on the majority of their customers.

It's a Big Brother law, akin to Click it or Ticket, that is complete bullshit and the brainchild of a bunch of despicable crybaby wieners...

p.s. Take your turn or we have to wait all day for you to get kicked!!:mad:

[1951Campbell]

Why all the fuss again, people? The anti-ban contingency won this argument ages ago:

http://www.soxandthecity.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1880

[itsnotrequired]

That's a pointless distinction. It's being forced on businesses that in turn have to force it on the majority of their customers.

It's a Big Brother law, akin to Click it or Ticket, that is complete bullshit and the brainchild of a bunch of despicable crybaby wieners...

p.s. Take your turn or we have to wait all day for you to get kicked!!:mad:

People can still visit a business and smoke, just outside. No one is being forced to quit smoking outright.

Click it or Ticket is a Big Brother law? Only idiots don't wear seatbelts. Click it or Ticket is a campaign aimed at bringing awareness. Not wearing a seatbelt was already a fineable offense. It is sort of like the "Give Them A Brake" campaign for construction workers.

[CaptainBallz]

getting fined for not wearing a seatbelt is a douchebag law... that's my point. Awareness is one thing, fining people for doing something that can only harm themselves is bullfuck.

There's a social contract with smoking in bars. Smokers and non-smokers alike have understood that contract. yes, second-hand smoke isn't one of life's simple pleasures, but it's understood that it is a feature of certain environments.

Whiny wiener crybaby's are breaking the contract, thereby pissing me off...

[infinite1]

I hear some bars will have a tip jar at the door where as if you would like to smoke leave a tip in the jar and when the bar gets fined the money from the jar should pay for the fine.... good idea i think :shrug:

I do agree that each bar and or restaurant in illinois should have been able to pick their poison... Smoking or non smoking establishment

[Iwritecode]

I'm really interested in seeing how much this will affect bowling alleys. I'll be in a league this winter so I'll get to witness it first-hand.

I wonder how many people will be willing to bowl a frame, change their shoes, run outside to take a few drags on a cig, come back in, change their shoes again and then bowl their next frame.

[infinite1]

I will :shrug:

[Beer Can Chicken]

getting fined for not wearing a seatbelt is a douchebag law... that's my point. Awareness is one thing, fining people for doing something that can only harm themselves is bullfuck.

There's a social contract with smoking in bars. Smokers and non-smokers alike have understood that contract. yes, second-hand smoke isn't one of life's simple pleasures, but it's understood that it is a feature of certain environments.

Whiny wiener crybaby's are breaking the contract, thereby pissing me off...

There WAS a social contract with bars. The government is now changing what is feels is acceptable behavior. As it has done with many things including integration of schools, prohibition of alcohol, seat belt laws, drinking and driving laws, etc. It goes on and on. At some point during every of the aformentioned decisions to change the way people thought, there was always a group of people saying "but it's always been this way! Blah, blah, blah.

[CaptainBallz]

There WAS a social contract with bars. The government is now changing what is feels is acceptable behavior. As it has done with many things including integration of schools, prohibition of alcohol, seat belt laws, drinking and driving laws, etc. It goes on and on. At some point during every of the aformentioned decisions to change the way people thought, there was always a group of people saying "but it's always been this way! Blah, blah, blah.

Terrible examples... The only one that is remotely relevant is seatbelt laws and those need to be repealed because they are a state-sponsored sham and everybody knows it.

Bars are one specific place where a realtively specific set of activities take place... The problem is simply solved by people that do not enjoy the activities not going into those environments.

That is nothing like the larger issue of segregation, the FAILED policy of prohibition, or the fact that drunk drivers ACTUALLY kill people... which is a far cry from making someone's fruity little shirt smell bad...

[itsnotrequired]

Terrible examples... The only one that is remotely relevant is seatbelt laws and those need to be repealed because they are a state-sponsored sham and everybody knows it.

Bars are one specific place where a realtively specific set of activities take place... The problem is simply solved by people that do not enjoy the activities not going into those environments.

That is nothing like the larger issue of segregation, the FAILED policy of prohibition, or the fact that drunk drivers ACTUALLY kill people... which is a far cry from making someone's fruity little shirt smell bad...

Damn, did a seat belt choke your dog when you were a kid? What's the beef over a seat belt law? I know many bikers are against helmet laws (also stupid, IMHO) but I don't think I've ever conversed with someone who seems miffed about seat belt laws.

Maybe it wrinkles your fruity little shirt.:D

[Beer Can Chicken]

Terrible examples... The only one that is remotely relevant is seatbelt laws and those need to be repealed because they are a state-sponsored sham and everybody knows it.

Bars are one specific place where a realtively specific set of activities take place... The problem is simply solved by people that do not enjoy the activities not going into those environments.

That is nothing like the larger issue of segregation, the FAILED policy of prohibition, or the fact that drunk drivers ACTUALLY kill people... which is a far cry from making someone's fruity little shirt smell bad...

My point was that there is always someone going to cry "but it was always this way".

Like I said, the one specific place where a specific set of activities has just been altered for the better by our our governor. In 10 years, a bar will have a different set of specific activites that take place in them. The one that you are so adamnatly defending will be taken outside of them, on the sidewalk. Ouch.

Plus, I don't want to breathe your smoke. It's bad for me.

[fquaye14ten]

"drink without smoke is like cock without pussy"
--bukowski


more evidence that all smoking-ban supporters are fag

Why all the fuss again, people? The anti-ban contingency won this argument ages ago:

http://www.soxandthecity.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1880

the supreme court speaks the verdict is in :)

[CaptainBallz]

Damn, did a seat belt choke your dog when you were a kid? What's the beef over a seat belt law? I know many bikers are against helmet laws (also stupid, IMHO) but I don't think I've ever conversed with someone who seems miffed about seat belt laws.

Maybe it wrinkles your fruity little shirt.:D

my shirts are tough. I did get a ticket once for seatbelt, which ticked me all the way off because, really, who's fucking business is it if I have a seatbelt on or not. That cop seriously took 20 minutes out of his day to write me a TICKET because I wasn't wearing a seatbelt while going 35mph down 127th?? Fuck him and fuck those laws because, like I said, they are nothing but money making scams set up by the state. They're crap and everyone knows it. Like the tolls.

My point was that there is always someone going to cry "but it was always this way".

Like I said, the one specific place where a specific set of activities has just been altered for the better by our our governor. In 10 years, a bar will have a different set of specific activites that take place in them. The one that you are so adamnatly defending will be taken outside of them, on the sidewalk. Ouch.

Plus, I don't want to breathe your smoke. It's bad for me.

It's all about YOU isn't it??

:ridiculous:

p.s. I'm currently not smoking. I just hate crybaby whiny wiener people...

[fquaye14ten]

getting fined for not wearing a seatbelt is a douchebag law... that's my point. Awareness is one thing, fining people for doing something that can only harm themselves is bullfuck.

There's a social contract with smoking in bars. Smokers and non-smokers alike have understood that contract. yes, second-hand smoke isn't one of life's simple pleasures, but it's understood that it is a feature of certain environments.

Whiny wiener crybaby's are breaking the contract, thereby pissing me off...

ballz--i'm sorry, but you're off here. seatbelt laws, like motorcycle laws, are designed to prevent the burden of medical costs...in other words, to stop people from killing themselves

in order for this to be a parallel, they would have to make smoking illegal. they're not going to, because they know where their bread is buttered...but instead they're going to make a completely legal, acceptable activity (smoking) illegal in a place that is populated by a majority of smoking contingent

the ban is gay, but not for the same reasons the seatbelt laws are gay

There WAS a social contract with bars. The government is now changing what is feels is acceptable behavior. As it has done with many things including integration of schools,

PUBLIC SCHOOLS

prohibition of alcohol,
alcohol was uniformly illegal, not illegal in private establishments and legal elsewhere

seat belt laws,
see above why this doesn't apply

drinking and driving laws,
not even close to applying

[itsnotrequired]

my shirts are tough. I did get a ticket once for seatbelt, which ticked me all the way off because, really, who's fucking business is it if I have a seatbelt on or not. That cop seriously took 20 minutes out of his day to write me a TICKET because I wasn't wearing a seatbelt while going 35mph down 127th?? Fuck him and fuck those laws because, like I said, they are nothing but money making scams set up by the state. They're crap and everyone knows it. Like the tolls.

Then why is it a federal law that auto manufacturers need to install seatbelts? They should offer it only as an option for safety-minded pussies.:jagoff:

How are the tolls crap? Toll roads were built without public monies (for the most part). People that want to use it are the ones that pay, rather than everybody. It is essentially a sales tax.

[CaptainBallz]

ballz--i'm sorry, but you're off here. seatbelt laws, like motorcycle laws, are designed to prevent the burden of medical costs...in other words, to stop people from killing themselves

in order for this to be a parallel, they would have to make smoking illegal. they're not going to, because they know where their bread is buttered...but instead they're going to make a completely legal, acceptable activity (smoking) illegal in a place that is populated by a majority of smoking contingent

the ban is gay, but not for the same reasons the seatbelt laws are gay



Actually, by your rational then they can be seen as perfectly parallel because the ban is intended to create a "healthier environment" for patrons and employees of bars thereby reducing "the burden of medical costs" resulting from second-hand smoke inhalation.

Either way, I wasn't trying to make them parallel examples.

I just find them both gay and intrusive

[maurice]

Seat belt laws have been controversial since their inception for a number of very good reasons, including:
- Big Brother / Nanny State: It's none of the government's business whether I wear a seatbelt. It does not directly affect anybody but me. In a free country, the government is supposed to leave you alone, unless it has a very good reason to intervene. It's not enough to say that only stupid people go without a seatbelt. You can say the same thing about eating transfats or failing to brush your teeth. Do we need laws for these things too? Also, nobody wears a seatbelt 'cause they're ascared they'll get a ticket. There's no way in heck a cop can tell whether I'm wearing one in my moving vehicle anyway, unless he already pulled me over for something else. Even then, I have plenty of time to click it and avoid the ticket.
- Police Abuse: Many police officers like to pull people over for BS reasons so that they can investigate a hunch. This is obscenely unconstitutional and often based solely on the color of the driver's skin. Seat belt laws give these douchebags another BS reason to do this. Worse, now they're trying to use these laws as an excuse to set up roadblocks / checkpoints, stopping every innocent person traveling down a road and demanding their papers. What is this, Communist Russia?!?

Repeal all adult seatbelt laws yesterday.

[CaptainBallz]

Then why is it a federal law that auto manufacturers need to install seatbelts? They should offer it only as an option for safety-minded pussies.:jagoff:

How are the tolls crap? Toll roads were built without public monies (for the most part). People that want to use it are the ones that pay, rather than everybody. It is essentially a sales tax.

The tollroads were built with the promise to be free once the money from the tolls paid for them. Which I believe was over 10 years ago.

The state refuses to part with what they consider state income now. So, they're basically ripping everybody off..

Seat belt laws have been controversial since their inception for a number of very good reasons, including:
- Big Brother / Nanny State: It's none of the government's business whether I wear a seatbelt. It does not directly affect anybody but me. In a free country, the government is supposed to leave you alone, unless it has a very good reason to intervene. It's not enough to say that only stupid people go without a seatbelt. You can say the same thing about eating transfats or failing to brush your teeth. Do we need laws for these things too? Also, nobody wears a seatbelt 'cause they're ascared they'll get a ticket. There's no way in heck a cop can tell whether I'm wearing one in my moving vehicle anyway, unless he already pulled me over for something else. Even then, I have plenty of time to click it and avoid the ticket.
- Police Abuse: Many police officers like to pull people over for BS reasons so that they can investigate a hunch. This is obscenely unconstitutional and often based solely on the color of the driver's skin. Seat belt laws give these douchebags another BS reason to do this. Worse, now they're trying to use these laws as an excuse to set up roadblocks / checkpoints, stopping every innocent person traveling down a road and demanding their papers. What is this, Communist Russia?!?

Repeal all adult seatbelt laws yesterday.

I high fived my screen attempting to high five you

[itsnotrequired]

The tollroads were built with the promise to be free once the money from the tolls paid for them. Which I believe was over 10 years ago.

Huh? They are still adding to the system. I-355, rebuilding all the plazas, resurfacing, lane additions, etc. The whole system is an ongoing project and fully supported by monies collected from tolls.

The Tollway administration is certainly worthy of criticism though.

[SoxFan76]

Say what you will about tolls, but open road tolling/IPASS is a great thing. If we have to have tolls at all I'm glad we have the system we have.

[SABRSox]

If you take away the tolls, the revenue to keep up the roads has to come from somewhere else. At this point, it is a necessary evil.

[SoxFan76]

Say what you will about tolls, but open road tolling/IPASS is a great thing. If we have to have tolls at all I'm glad we have the system we have.

What a horrible sentence.

[Myrtle]

What a horrible sentence.

I understood it... :dunno:

[SoxFan76]

I know, but there must be a better way to say that. It's bothering me. haha

[Iwritecode]

There's no way in heck a cop can tell whether I'm wearing one in my moving vehicle anyway, unless he already pulled me over for something else. Even then, I have plenty of time to click it and avoid the ticket.

Nope. I actually got pulled over because a cop saw me reaching up and putting my seatbelt on! I actually had it on when I got pulled over!

I had just stopped and gotten gas and forgot to put my seatbelt back on when I got back in. As I was driving down the road I realized it and put it on. Not more than 20 seconds later I see flashing lights in my rearview mirror. The cop must've fell out of the sky because I never even saw him. he did tell me that he pulled me over simply because he saw me putting it on meaning there was a point in time I was driving down the road without it. :jagoff:

[fquaye14ten]

Actually, by your rational then they can be seen as perfectly parallel because the ban is intended to create a "healthier environment" for patrons and employees of bars thereby reducing "the burden of medical costs" resulting from second-hand smoke inhalation.

Either way, I wasn't trying to make them parallel examples.

I just find them both gay and intrusive

nope...sorry, this is still off. maybe you can say that the people who run the bars are being forced to comply for their own well-being...but that would be pretty sketchy

If you take away the tolls, the revenue to keep up the roads has to come from somewhere else. At this point, it is a necessary evil.

well the point was that they would accumulate a highway fund.

unfortunately that was not the case

in further news: a toll is a toll and a roll is a roll and if we don't get no tolls then we don't eat no rolls

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/CAMB/27576~Don-t-Be-a-Butthead-Posters.jpg

[Longshot7]

move somewhere where they are no tolls. that's what I did.

[SoxFan76]

Tolls are far from an inconvinience. Especially nowadays with open road tolling.

Thanks Rod Blagojevich.

[MSquad]

.

The "tied down" analogy blows What really blows is the Nanny State's micromanaging of our lives, and gullible people falling all over themselves in support of it. Where's President Bubba? I thought the "era of big government" was over?

[itsnotrequired]

Where's President Bubba? I thought the "era of big government" was over?

It is a local decision. And more and more states are moving toward bans everyday.

These are elected leaders passing these laws. If people weren't supporting them, they would be out on their ass. Should Bush take power away from locals? Talk about getting babysat...

[CaptainBallz]

nope...sorry, this is still off. maybe you can say that the people who run the bars are being forced to comply for their own well-being...but that would be pretty sketchy



What isn't lining up for you? Quit being a wienerboy...

[Prope]

It is a local decision. And more and more states are moving toward bans everyday.

These are elected leaders passing these laws. If people weren't supporting them, they would be out on their ass. Should Bush take power away from locals? Talk about getting babysat...
I think the state is enacting this law to help individual communities who are losing business. For instance, Tinley Park was complaining about business in their bars/restaurants being lost to Oak Forest who didn't have the ban. (Could have been the other way around) Anyways, you got to a state law and all of a sudden you don't have to worry about that.


I think....

[fquaye14ten]

I think the state is enacting this law to help individual communities who are losing business. For instance, Tinley Park was complaining about business in their bars/restaurants being lost to Oak Forest who didn't have the ban. (Could have been the other way around) Anyways, you got to a state law and all of a sudden you don't have to worry about that.


I think....

gee what does taht tell you about the ban?

that maybe most people who go to bars want to smoke :rolleyes:

i can't even count the amount of restaurants that went out of business in fayetteville because of the smoking ban in all places that allowed children under 21. and it's not as though there aren't a shit-ton of smoke free restaurants--

why does mary bleed-cunt have to go to a sports bar? and why does she think that she has a right to tell them how to run a business? and why does she run kicking and screaming her little vagina out to the government telling them to legislate the majority because of the shrill, obnoxious vocal minority?

that's a rhetorical question--we all know the answer: people value convenience over what's right

[StockdaleforVeep]

Tolls are far from an inconvinience. Especially nowadays with open road tolling.

Thanks Rod Blagojevich.

tolls should be for paying and upkeep of the roads system

not to fund schools or whatever else the state govt wants

also it forces you to get an ipass unless u want to pay more, meaning out of staters need to pay a shit ton cuz only few ipass systems carry over from diff states

It is a local decision. And more and more states are moving toward bans everyday.

These are elected leaders passing these laws. If people weren't supporting them, they would be out on their ass. Should Bush take power away from locals? Talk about getting babysat...

states rights

its a bitch sometimes but i agree with it

[Iwritecode]

I think the state is enacting this law to help individual communities who are losing business. For instance, Tinley Park was complaining about business in their bars/restaurants being lost to Oak Forest who didn't have the ban. (Could have been the other way around) Anyways, you got to a state law and all of a sudden you don't have to worry about that.


I think....

Except for places like Rockford that are a 15-minute drive from an entire state that allows smoking in it's bars. How long until the Rockford bar owners start complaining that they are losing business to Beloit?

[Prope]

Except for places like Rockford that are a 15-minute drive from an entire state that allows smoking in it's bars. How long until the Rockford bar owners start complaining that they are losing business to Beloit?
January 2008???

[StockdaleforVeep]

January 2008???

already happened in dekalb, they banned smoking in restaurants and in a month it hits bars

Dekalb has lost food business to sycamor, bars wont lose cuz college students wont drive

[Prope]

already happened in dekalb, they banned smoking in restaurants and in a month it hits bars

Dekalb has lost food business to sycamor, bars wont lose cuz college students wont drive
Sycamore, really sucks.

[StockdaleforVeep]

Sycamore, really sucks.
has pluses and minuses

[Prope]

has pluses and minuses
IMO, the minuses greatly outweigh the pluses. The only good place was that old hotel that had a pretty nice bar inside.

[StockdaleforVeep]

johnnys char house is there, plus downtown aint too shabby

[itsnotrequired]

Except for places like Rockford that are a 15-minute drive from an entire state that allows smoking in it's bars. How long until the Rockford bar owners start complaining that they are losing business to Beloit?

Beloit already has a partial ban in place. Wisconsin will go full in a few years anyway.

[Prope]

johnnys char house is there, plus downtown aint too shabby
I had lunch at Johnny's Char House when I was there.

2005 for a wedding. Nothing spectacular. The bar we went to in the downtown area was kind of shitty - horrible patio area. Also, I wanted to go bowling in the morning and the place wasn't open. What bowling alley isn't open at noon on a fucking saturday??

[fquaye14ten]

Beloit already has a partial ban in place. Wisconsin will go full in a few years anyway.

milwaukee will go kicking in screaming

most non-madison wisconsinites aren't the wannabe nyc-fags that seem to be overrunning the fair state of chicago in the city of illinois

[1951Campbell]

milwaukee will go kicking in screaming

most non-madison wisconsinites aren't the wannabe nyc-fags that seem to be overrunning the fair state of chicago in the city of illinois

QFT.

Anyway, I'll say it again:

http://www.soxandthecity.net/forums/...ead.php?t=1880

Oh, and Innerpee...just admit you default view on life is that authority and "conventional wisdom" is always right, and make sure to spread your cheeks as you do so.

[Domeshot17]

In a few years Gov Suckgoyavich will be shutting down all mcdonalds and burger kings because their food is bad for you too. The funny thing is when you take mcdonalds and bk and taco bell etc out of the studies done by a lot of these smoking ban support companies, it shows how bad it really is for businesses. I honest dont mind the ban as a smoker, because itll be good for people like my mom and grandpa who have asthma or are older, I just hate the government telling people they can and can't run their business.

[fquaye14ten]

QFT.

Anyway, I'll say it again:

http://www.soxandthecity.net/forums/...ead.php?t=1880

Oh, and Innerpee...just admit you default view on life is that authority and "conventional wisdom" is always right, and make sure to spread your cheeks as you do so.

your link isn't working for me

I honest dont mind the ban as a smoker, because itll be good for people like my mom and grandpa who have asthma or are older, I just hate the government telling people they can and can't run their business.

I totally echo this--it's also good for ME--I'm not a heavy smoker, and I don't love the smell of smoke on my clothes from bars. It WAS kind of nice when I was in Madison not smelling ashy the next day.

But it's not the practicality of the matter--it's the principle. It'd be like telling supermarkets they couldn't have air conditioning because some people felt too cold

or something less far-fetched as an analogy

[StockdaleforVeep]

your link isn't working for me



I totally echo this--it's also good for ME--I'm not a heavy smoker, and I don't love the smell of smoke on my clothes from bars. It WAS kind of nice when I was in Madison not smelling ashy the next day.

But it's not the practicality of the matter--it's the principle. It'd be like telling supermarkets they couldn't have air conditioning because some people felt too cold

or something less far-fetched as an analogy

Christ stop with this false imagining of "the smoke filled bar"

You go to any bar, open the door, u are not attacked by a plume of cig smoke

If you are a smoker or non, u can smell the smoke on yer clothes, now i sometmes smoke, i sometimes dont, and my clothes dont have that "bar smoke smell" permeating them, so just fucking stop with the overzealous implications of the issue of people smoking in a bar

[fquaye14ten]

who's saying there's a smoked filled bar? I'm not. I'm not in favor of the smoking ban.

but the fact is there are a lot of bars that have a lot of smokers in them.

A lot of times you feel congested the next day

almost every time your clothes smell like smoke.

chill out.

[StockdaleforVeep]

who's saying there's a smoked filled bar? I'm not. I'm not in favor of the smoking ban.

but the fact is there are a lot of bars that have a lot of smokers in them.

A lot of times you feel congested the next day

almost every time your clothes smell like smoke.

chill out.

I dont smell like smoke, even when i do smoke.

Im more concerned and bothered by the alcohol smell on my clothing

[SoxFan76]

Dekalb restaurants have taken a hit, namely the Junction. I read in the paper that they took a big hit on business when they banned smoking in restaurants. And if you go to Dekalb bars, 40% if not more of the people smoke, so it's just going to be a mess.

[samram]

There WAS a social contract with bars. The government is now changing what is feels is acceptable behavior. As it has done with many things including integration of schools, prohibition of alcohol, seat belt laws, drinking and driving laws, etc. It goes on and on. At some point during every of the aformentioned decisions to change the way people thought, there was always a group of people saying "but it's always been this way! Blah, blah, blah.

I haven't read the whole thread, but I had to stop when I saw this sentence. I wasn't aware the government had carte blanche to simply decide what behavior is acceptable and what isn't. I wonder what you would say if the government decided they didn't want people drinking or holding hands in public anymore.

QFT.

Anyway, I'll say it again:

http://www.soxandthecity.net/forums/...ead.php?t=1880

Oh, and Innerpee...just admit you default view on life is that authority and "conventional wisdom" is always right, and make sure to spread your cheeks as you do so.

It's incredible how many people don't get that there are certain things government is not allowed to do, no matter how much public support there is for it.

states rights

its a bitch sometimes but i agree with it

The states can't pass unconstitutional laws and then just hide behind the "laboratories of democracy" argument. What if Illinois politicians decided they didn't want to be criticized anymore so they pass a law that says no commentary on their job performance will be allowed? Hey, if you don't like it, just move to Iowa!

Anyway, we've had this whole smoking ban argument before.

[Prope]

I dont smell like smoke, even when i do smoke.

Im more concerned and bothered by the alcohol smell on my clothing
In the future, realize that alcohol is ingested internally. You can't just pour it on your body and get the same effect.

[itsnotrequired]

In the future, realize that alcohol is ingested internally. You can't just pour it on your body and get the same effect.

We all appear okay but we are getting drunk internally.

QFT.

Anyway, I'll say it again:

http://www.soxandthecity.net/forums/...ead.php?t=1880

Oh, and Innerpee...just admit you default view on life is that authority and "conventional wisdom" is always right, and make sure to spread your cheeks as you do so.

I don't even know what this is supposed to mean. I would expect more from a Packer fan. Those that talk of plumes of smoke blasting you as you walk into a bar are just as goofy as those that think a smoking ban will lead to everyone worshiping The Leader in some cult-esque fashion.

"First they came for our cigarettes...then they came for our fast food...then they came for our SOULS!"

:jagoff:

[fquaye14ten]

i can't believe stockdale can't smell smoke on his clothes?

does being a grotesque fatass effect your sense of smell?

[Prope]

i can't believe stockdale can't smell smoke on his clothes?

does being a grotesque fatass effect your sense of smell?
Only in the winter.

[fquaye14ten]

but they've got nude beaches?

[Prope]

but they've got nude beaches?
That is actually a sand volleyball court in the DeKalb park.

[fquaye14ten]

but they've got nude beaches?

[StockdaleforVeep]

I haven't read the whole thread, but I had to stop when I saw this sentence. I wasn't aware the government had carte blanche to simply decide what behavior is acceptable and what isn't. I wonder what you would say if the government decided they didn't want people drinking or holding hands in public anymore.



It's incredible how many people don't get that there are certain things government is not allowed to do, no matter how much public support there is for it.



The states can't pass unconstitutional laws and then just hide behind the "laboratories of democracy" argument. What if Illinois politicians decided they didn't want to be criticized anymore so they pass a law that says no commentary on their job performance will be allowed? Hey, if you don't like it, just move to Iowa!

Anyway, we've had this whole smoking ban argument before.


Amendment X

In the future, realize that alcohol is ingested internally. You can't just pour it on your body and get the same effect.

Spillage from be and the fumes in the air can contact clothing