Rowand on The Score [Archive]

Unregistered

03-13-2007, 10:13 AM

Mike North asked Rowand if KW has ever told him about any plans to bring him back to the club, and Rowand said that he can't comment on that at this time. People are saying "Rowand gave off the vibe that he's not going to be with the Phillies for much longer," but all he said is that he has no comment as to whether KW told him he was in future plans at the time he was traded. He sounded unhappy about being in Philly and he would like to come to Chicago (which he said repeatedly), but he isn't thinking about it unless it happens.

Listen to it here:

Top Right Of The SCORE Page (http://soxandthecity.net/Top%20Right%20On%20The%20Page)

the fluffer

03-13-2007, 10:32 AM

even if a trade doesn't go down this offseason, Rowand will be back in 08 as a free agent. Book it.

Hangar18

03-13-2007, 10:49 AM

JohnBasedowYoda

03-13-2007, 12:25 PM

Also ............ if your a GM, you are NOT ALLOWED to openly comment or covet another teams player. Its called Tampering and Kenny would get in huge trouble.

The Cubs blatantly get away with this of course by having their writers do all the commenting and coveting of players
on their behalf.

It's in the 10 Commandments

http://www.brutallyhonest.org/photos/uncategorized/god.jpg

THOU SHALT NOT COVET OTHER TEAM'S CENTERFIELDERS

kittle42

03-13-2007, 12:27 PM

even if a trade doesn't go down this offseason, Rowand will be back in 08 as a free agent. Book it.

Can we get a better player instead?

the fluffer

03-13-2007, 12:28 PM

Can we get a better player instead?

I think Rowand would make a pretty decent 4th outfielder, don't you?

Palehose13

03-13-2007, 12:47 PM

Can we get a better player instead?

He's better than Brian Anderson, so it would be an upgrade.

Efilnikufesin

03-13-2007, 12:57 PM

He's better than Brian Anderson, so it would be an upgrade.
Step away from the crack pipe slowly missy .. you have had enough.

zmz

03-13-2007, 01:02 PM

In 08, Rowand will be coming out of his "prime" and into the downside of his career, so he would be a perfect 4th outfielder.

:shrug:

the fluffer

03-13-2007, 01:20 PM

No one will ever be better than Timo.

JohnBasedowYoda

03-13-2007, 01:38 PM

No one will ever be better than Timo.

Not even Timo?

Palehose13

03-13-2007, 02:42 PM

Step away from the crack pipe slowly missy .. you have had enough.

:confused:

Take a look at Rowand's MLB numbers vs. B. Anderson's MLB numbers and you will see that I do not lie nor do I smoke crack.

the fluffer

03-13-2007, 02:44 PM

:confused:

Take a look at Rowand's MLB numbers vs. B. Anderson's MLB numbers and you will see that I do not lie nor do I smoke crack.

I've had him on ignore for a few weeks now. My life as a message board poster has benefitted greatly.

Palehose13

03-13-2007, 02:49 PM

I've had him on ignore for a few weeks now. My life as a message board poster has benefitted greatly.

LOL. I never ever put anyone on ignore when we were on that other message board. However, I may just take your advice and start doing it here.

Palehose13

03-13-2007, 03:10 PM

Let's give BA more than his rookie season before we start comparing numbers.

And everyone should know how I feel about Rowand.

No Thanks!!!

How about comparing their rookie years?

Rowand: .310 BA, .361 OBP, 24 HR, 69 RBI, 17 SB
Anderson: .221 BA, .281 OBP, 8 HR, 33 RBI, 4 SB

Hangar18

03-13-2007, 03:18 PM

Ok everyone ............ lets take it easy here.

JohnBasedowYoda

03-13-2007, 03:19 PM

Ok everyone ............ lets take it easy here.

No way, we're totalled biased and watchout!:omg: ...we bite

LuvSox

03-13-2007, 03:20 PM

No way, we're totalled biased and watchout!:omg: ...we bite

Guffaw

Unregistered

03-13-2007, 03:20 PM

How about comparing their rookie years?

Rowand: .310 BA, .361 OBP, 24 HR, 69 RBI, 17 SB
Anderson: .221 BA, .281 OBP, 8 HR, 33 RBI, 4 SB

Problem with Rowand (and I like the guy) is if those are his rookie numbers, he seemed to have a career year offensively in his rookie season. He hasn't had a better season since that one. I do like his attitude, though - I secretly hope he comes back.

Hangar18

03-13-2007, 03:23 PM

No way, we're totalled biased and watchout!:omg: ...we bite

Sox And The City, a forum filled with Crazed SOX fans who can't afford shoes!

JohnBasedowYoda

03-13-2007, 03:23 PM

Problem with Rowand (and I like the guy) is if those are his rookie numbers, he seemed to have a career year offensively in his rookie season. He hasn't had a better season since that one. I do like his attitude, though - I secretly hope he comes back.

Your hoping isn't as secret as you'd think
http://www.emergentchaos.com/images/06-july/peeping-tom.jpg

Unregistered

03-13-2007, 03:29 PM

Your hoping isn't as secret as you'd think
http://www.emergentchaos.com/images/06-july/peeping-tom.jpg

:fap:

JohnBasedowYoda

03-13-2007, 03:31 PM

:fap:

:cool:

I must say you moddingtons put together a nice compilation of smiling faces.

Notice how I didn't use any of them?

cbotnyse

03-13-2007, 03:32 PM

He's better than Brian Anderson, so it would be an upgrade.But wouldnt you agree that BA is a better defensive center fielder? I feel very comfortable with BA out there. At the plate is a different story. I am indifferent to Rowand coming back though. If BA can significantly raise his average this year, I think BA is the clear choice.

JohnBasedowYoda

03-13-2007, 03:35 PM

But wouldnt you agree that BA is a better defensive center fielder? I feel very comfortable with BA out there. At the plate is a different story. I am indifferent to Rowand coming back though. If BA can significantly raise his average this year, I think BA is the clear choice.

I'm with you. I like Ozzie laying on the pressure though. If BA feels the heat it'll roast his nuts.

cbotnyse

03-13-2007, 03:39 PM

I'm with you. I like Ozzie laying on the pressure though. If BA feels the heat it'll roast his nuts.
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f21/cbotnyse/homer-drool.gif

roasted nuts........

JohnBasedowYoda

03-13-2007, 03:43 PM

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f21/cbotnyse/homer-drool.gif

roasted nuts........

I'm with you on that too.

Let's roast some nuts and drink some beers.

I'm in the mood for Foster's, savy?

maurice

03-13-2007, 05:35 PM

That's so horribly not Rowand's rookie year. I can tell by looking at them that those are his 2004 numbers. He was a rookie in 2001.

Indeed. In the interim, Rowand racked up almost 600 MLB ABs, got replaced by Kenny Lofton, got replaced by Carl Everett, and got demoted to Charlotte for 32 games in 2003 to fix the massive hole in his swing.

Also, 2004 was Rowand's career year. He batted .258 in 2002, .270 in 2005, and .262 in 2006. In other words, since mid-June 2006, BA essentially has been Rowand + better defense. Not bad for a guy with only 399 MLB ABs.

Efilnikufesin

03-13-2007, 09:14 PM

How about comparing their rookie years?

Rowand: .310 BA, .361 OBP, 24 HR, 69 RBI, 17 SB
Anderson: .221 BA, .281 OBP, 8 HR, 33 RBI, 4 SB

Umm way to mislead the public..

MLB rules states that a player looses "rookie" status after 150ab.. Which would have come in 2002 which he batted .258/7/29 0SB

So Anderson had more HR, more RBIs and More SB.. It took Rowand 3 years to get to hitting .300, Yet Anderson has to do it in 1? I don't see that as fair..

But, does this team need more offense? Anderson is there for his D is he not?

Rowand Rookie year playing CF .986 FP%
Anderson .994 FP%

Why don't we wait to pass judgment on who is better in say 2 years.. One bad season because the kid was rushed to the seen..

And for the record, I love Rowand.. I have a 44 and 33 Rowand Jersey.. Just know that anderson is a better player.

Bonzosa

03-13-2007, 10:41 PM

I'm with the rest of the crew that says BA needs some space. I think after this year we will really be able to size him up.
The whole comparing rookie years stuff doesn't really matter. Every player matures at a different pace. Let's hope BA has progressed over last year.

If BA makes significant strides of progress at the plate, accept him as the CF.
We will never have an all-star at every position.

While we are on OF, do we really resign Dye? There's this kid named Sweeney...

And look no further than Pods himself as the man who is officially in the hot seat. If he does not return to pre-groin issues speed, he is a waste of space on the roster.

Rowand can hang out with the fans in the stands if we wants back in Chicago.

Lucifer

03-13-2007, 10:47 PM

Fuck Rowand and especially FUCK the score! BA was a rookie last year so all things being equal (as they should be) BA is entering his sophomore season in 07 cause he didnt have anywhere near 150 ab's in 05 so again....FUCK THE SCORE! Just another reason why I wont listen to those fucking idiots. Im with everyone else, lets see what BA does this year before we find a rope and a tree with his name on it! :rock:

kittle42

03-14-2007, 11:16 AM

Umm way to mislead the public..

MLB rules states that a player looses "rookie" status after 150ab.. Which would have come in 2002 which he batted .258/7/29 0SB

It would be more interesting if the player "tightened" his rookie status.

Palehose13

03-14-2007, 11:21 AM

Problem with Rowand (and I like the guy) is if those are his rookie numbers, he seemed to have a career year offensively in his rookie season. He hasn't had a better season since that one. I do like his attitude, though - I secretly hope he comes back.

He evens out to be a .275-.285 hitter. He has never had a season as bad as Brian Anderson.

But wouldnt you agree that BA is a better defensive center fielder? I feel very comfortable with BA out there. At the plate is a different story. I am indifferent to Rowand coming back though. If BA can significantly raise his average this year, I think BA is the clear choice.

I do agree, but Rowand is no Mack in CF. I'll take Rowand's defense with him hitting .280 than BA's defense with him hitting .220

That's so horribly not Rowand's rookie year. I can tell by looking at them that those are his 2004 numbers. He was a rookie in 2001.

Look people, give it up. Rowand's last two years are indicative of the player he is. He has nowhere to go but laterally and Anderson has nowhere to go but up.

Yes, my bad (actually it was the site I looked at that confused me). I don't know if I would count 2001, but I would count 2002 because of number of AB's. All I'm saying is that Anderson hasn't proven shit and Rowand has proven that he can be a decent CFer for a MLB team.

Hangar18

03-14-2007, 11:29 AM

Unregistered

03-14-2007, 11:36 AM

I dont think the SOX are going to give him a legit chance this year.
He hasn't done it in ST, and with the emergence of Erstad ...............
and now Scotty Pods claiming he's almost ready ................

Anderson is batting .348 this Spring (Erstad is batting .303). He's "done it" so far... :shrug:

Hangar18

03-14-2007, 11:41 AM

Anderson is batting .348 this Spring (Erstad is batting .303). He's "done it" so far... :shrug:

.348? why did I think he was hitting .248 ............
Well, theres gonna be a problem ................

itsnotrequired

03-14-2007, 11:43 AM

.348? why did I think he was hitting .248 ............
Well, theres gonna be a problem ................

Because he was hitting .248 just three days ago. He was hitting freaking .182 a week ago.

Unregistered

03-14-2007, 11:43 AM

.348? why did I think he was hitting .248 ............
Well, theres gonna be a problem ................

To be fair, it's only 23 AB. He may very well have been batting .248 last time you checked. Erstad looks good, though - which I'm pretty happy about. :thumbsup: But I don't think Anderson is going quietly. As has been mentioned, the guy's hit .300 at every level except the majors. He's too good a hitter to just fade away, IMO. And obviously that's not even taking into consideration his fielding ability.

Bonzosa

03-14-2007, 11:44 AM

how many roster spots can go to the outfield?
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/images/2005/10/12/2CzkpZnd.jpg Tell Pablo you're sorry.

CaptainBallz

03-14-2007, 11:50 AM

I do agree, but Rowand is no Mack in CF. I'll take Rowand's defense with him hitting .280 than BA's defense with him hitting .220

that's all fine and dandy-- not to repeat what's already been stated-- but can we at least get a relatively decent look first before railroading him for aging vets and players that have undeniably peaked??

Everybody knows that BA sucked a fat one the first half of last year. But everyone should also know he began tearing it up in July/August before taking a dump in Sept, which I'll attribute to that horrendous platoon that became the rule rather than the exception at the end of last season. Point is, he nearly raised his AVG. about a point in the second half, all the while playing some sick, sick CF...

Plus, as was pointed out, we don't NEED Anderson to hit >.250. He's the 9th
goddam spot in an order that contains plenty of run producing potential.

hopefully this is all for motivational purposes because I do suspect that BA may just have an attitude problem. But for now, that is no reason to bench the guy, stunt his development, or deal him to prove some assbackwards point or because of some crush on Rowand.

itsnotrequired

03-14-2007, 12:05 PM

So you're saying ST batting averages don't mean anything?

Anderson's been one of our top one or two prospects for the last two years. He's gonna get his shot. With his glove he can be valuable just putting up Rowand numbers (.270 15 60). Considering what he did last year though, that's a tall order. I think he can do it however.

Anderson has demonstrated he is successful at the minor league level. I'm not sure what sending him down will prove. He has already proven himself down there. It is time to give him regular starts and see what he does. If he calls a dog, then you try something else but until he gets that consistant playing time, especially with his new swing mechanics, judging him now is idiotic.

Palehose13

03-14-2007, 12:09 PM

that's all fine and dandy-- not to repeat what's already been stated-- but can we at least get a relatively decent look first before railroading him for aging vets and players that have undeniably peaked??

I'm not saying that we railroad Anderson. I'm saying that he isn't ready. Rowand was replaced consistently until 2004 and then he sure looked ready. We should get another good look at Anderson this year. If he can't hack it again at the plate, it may be time to be looking for a different CFer in 2008.

This isn't all because of a crush on Rowand. I have heard over and over again about prospects and potential. From what I have seen (think Borchard, Reed, etc.) most of these guys with potential don't pan out. At some point, the Sox are going to need someone who can produce and not just have potential.

CaptainBallz

03-14-2007, 12:15 PM

I'm not saying that we railroad Anderson. I'm saying that he isn't ready. Rowand was replaced consistently until 2004 and then he sure looked ready. We should get another good look at Anderson this year. If he can't hack it again at the plate, it may be time to be looking for a different CFer in 2008.

This isn't all because of a crush on Rowand. I have heard over and over again about prospects and potential. From what I have seen (think Borchard, Reed, etc.) most of these guys with potential don't pan out. At some point, the Sox are going to need someone who can produce and not just have potential.

I agree that it could potentially be an issue. Same as if Paulie's head falls off or Buerhle turns into a little green globule on the mound---all problems that should be addressed WHEN they're problems.
I just don't see how BA is a "problem" NOW, in '07, his second season in the majors, batting 9th, and playing lights out CF.

Palehose13

03-14-2007, 12:17 PM

That's all true, but top picks are always going to get a long look and Anderson you can't judge yet. Like I said above, this is the year you look for progress in him. If he still can't hit at all then you gotta take the wheels of your lunchbox.

Agreed.

I agree that it could potentially be an issue. Same as if Paulie's head falls off or Buerhle turns into a little green globule on the mound---all problems that should be addressed WHEN they're problems.
I just don't see how BA is a "problem" NOW, in '07, his second season in the majors, batting 9th, and playing lights out CF.

It isn't a problem if Uribe and Pods step it up this year. Last year 8-9-1 was such a black hole that it magnified BA's problems at the plate. IMO, at least one of those positions has to improve offensively or the Sox will be playing golf in October.