Cowley: Rowand could return [Archive]

the fluffer

03-09-2007, 10:04 AM

A source indicated that Sox general manager Ken Williams has been in talks with Philadelphia GM -- and good friend -- Pat Gillick about a deal that would send middle-relief help, including left-hander Boone Logan, to the Phillies for former Sox outfielder Aaron Rowand.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/289932,CST-SPT-sox09.article

Is Rowand worth trading two young arms like Boone Logan and Sean Tracey?? :confused:

Myrtle

03-09-2007, 10:05 AM

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Is Rowand worth trading two young arms like Boone Logan and Sean Tracey?? :confused:

No, not at all. And that's honestly not KW's style, either. It won't happen.

the fluffer

03-09-2007, 10:07 AM

oh.... and there is a blurb at the bottom of that article about the jibber jabber from yesterday and MB's contract. Evidentially, it was BS and they aren't exchanging contract proposals.

1951Campbell

03-09-2007, 10:29 AM

Jesus, not this again...

the fluffer

03-09-2007, 10:34 AM

Jesus, not this again...

not Jesus... Aaron Rowand. Jesus takes bad routes.

Lucifer

03-09-2007, 11:26 AM

I love the story headline "Rowand talk resurfacing". Thats a good one. The only reason its resurfacing is cause of an idiot sports writer for the Sun Times named Joe Cowley.

Anyway, I can see KW giving up Tracey in a trade somewhere cause he's already 26 and hardly a prospect anymore but not Logan. Logan's only 22 and a hard throwing lefty. Cant see KW giving that up for a one year rental.

This whole story is Bull Shit.:jagoff:

Hangar18

03-09-2007, 11:45 AM

not Jesus... Aaron Rowand. Jesus takes bad routes.

hehe hehehe hehehehehehe

CaptainBallz

03-09-2007, 11:59 AM

Why the hell do we need Rowand?

There still are some depth issues in the OF... Not sure if Rowand's the guy that's necessary.

SABRSox

03-09-2007, 12:01 PM

I'd love to see an OF with Rowand in LF, BA in CF, and Dye in RF. Pods/Erstad are your backups.

the fluffer

03-09-2007, 12:01 PM

Sweeney, Anderson, Owens, Terrero, etc aren't exactly setting the world on fire so far in ST. I honestly wouldn't be opposed to Rowand coming back, if it means a Rowand/Erstad platoon.

Saw this on the southsidesox site and almost pissed my pants in laughter hysteria...

...and don't forget the ABILITY to go first to second on a ball off the wall in left...

Hangar18

03-09-2007, 12:40 PM

Why the hell do we need Rowand?

I think its the fact that neither Anderson/Sweeney/Owens are wowing Kenny, hes thinking outside the box. If its a 2 yr rental ..................
I think it would make sense, him in CF, Erstad/Anderson in LF til someone stands up and decides they want to play LF. I dont know why Fields isnt being considered out there ........... the guy is really starting to swing the bat well ..........

the fluffer

03-09-2007, 12:44 PM

I dont know why Fields isnt being considered out there ........... the guy is really starting to swing the bat well ..........

I don't think they want to stunt his growth at 3B. He is hitting well, but against AAAA pitching in late inning ST games. In the same situations, Crede is hitting, what... 560?? Fields has shown steady improvement defensively and I think they are banking on him replacing Crede this off-season.

Hangar18

03-09-2007, 12:55 PM

if we can give away a couple of insignificant players for Rowand .........
i'd be up for it

the fluffer

03-09-2007, 01:30 PM

Efilnikufesin

03-09-2007, 02:05 PM

If the Padres were offering Scott Linebrink for Rowand, I think it will take a bit more than a couple "roster fillers" to make the deal happen.

With the deals KW pulled this offseason stockpiling arms... some guys with value have become expendable, like Heath Phillips, Wes Whisler, Adam Russell, Sean Tracey, Boone Logan.... and there are a few guys hanging on who probably bring little in return, like Corwin Malone, Paulino Reynoso, Edwardo Sierra, Dewon Day, etc....

Unless we are offering MacDougal or Thorton you can kiss Rowand goodbye..

The Padres are offering that, that is like 3 weeks old..Thank you mr FebTober (http://www.thetravisty.com/Celebrity_Jeopardy/wmv/Cage,_Flockhart,_Connery.htm)

Lucifer

03-09-2007, 02:22 PM

If the Padres were offering Scott Linebrink for Rowand, I think it will take a bit more than a couple "roster fillers" to make the deal happen.

With the deals KW pulled this offseason stockpiling arms... some guys with value have become expendable, like Heath Phillips, Wes Whisler, Adam Russell, Sean Tracey, Boone Logan.... and there are a few guys hanging on who probably bring little in return, like Corwin Malone, Paulino Reynoso, Edwardo Sierra, Dewon Day, etc....

I agree accept for Logan. I think he's a keeper being only 22. Out of everyone you listed Id say Boone has the best chance of having a quality MLB career.:thumbsup:

BFC

03-09-2007, 02:34 PM

I agree accept for Logan. I think he's a keeper being only 22. Out of everyone you listed Id say Boone has the best chance of having a quality MLB career.:thumbsup:

I agree. People forget that Boone made the jump from Single A to the bigs last year. He definitely has potential as a solid middle reliever.

the fluffer

03-09-2007, 02:37 PM

I agree accept for Logan. I think he's a keeper being only 22. Out of everyone you listed Id say Boone has the best chance of having a quality MLB career.:thumbsup:

I agree, I hope they keep him around.

I was simply trying to think of the guys who are expendable and who has a semblance of trade value remaining.

Lucifer

03-09-2007, 02:39 PM

I agree. People forget that Boone made the jump from Single A to the bigs last year. He definitely has potential as a solid middle reliever.

Yup. Boone is still wet behind the ears. He has proven he has great stuff he just needs to mature a little mentally to make the jump for good to the MLB. We have plenty of time with him.

Lucifer

03-09-2007, 02:42 PM

I agree, I hope they keep him around.

I was simply trying to think of the guys who are expendable and who has a semblance of trade value remaining.

I here ya. Logan does have the best value out of that group. You're right though, we do have alot more expendable pitchers after the arms we picked up this off-season.

the fluffer

03-09-2007, 02:45 PM

Yup. Boone is still wet behind the ears. He has proven he has great stuff he just needs to mature a little mentally to make the jump for good to the MLB. We have plenty of time with him.

Look at his K/BB rate in AAA last season... he can get the job done.. but could also land us a decent player in return....

Lucifer

03-09-2007, 03:07 PM

Look at his K/BB rate in AAA last season... he can get the job done.. but could also land us a decent player in return....

His K rate was insane last year. Good point on getting a descent player in return. He could help us get an MI prospect to either replace Iguchi after 07 or Uribe after 08.

EvilleFan

03-09-2007, 07:40 PM

I'd love to see an OF with Rowand in LF, BA in CF, and Dye in RF. Pods/Erstad are your backups.

That's one too many. You get 4.

chisoxfanatic

03-09-2007, 07:44 PM

That's one too many. You get 4.

Absolutely right, and the man for the job is Pablo Ozuna. :D

Seriously, Rowand's a better hitter than BA, and gives just about the same defensive production, so I'd gladly welcome him back. That, and it brings the 3 Musketeers back together, which could help in retaining Crede long-term.

Lucifer

03-09-2007, 07:45 PM

That's one too many. You get 4.

Yup. Especially considering Pablo would be the 5th OF and play LF against lefty pitching.

SABRSox

03-09-2007, 08:36 PM

That's one too many. You get 4.

They've got 5 now if you count Mackowiak.

soxwon

03-09-2007, 08:40 PM

i just hope this isnt just some made up rumour.
is it for real?
i hate when they get us excited about a trade then nothing happens.

the fluffer

03-11-2007, 01:38 AM

i just hope this isnt just some made up rumour.
is it for real?
i hate when they get us excited about a trade then nothing happens.

Probably not...

A Sox scout has been at recent Phillies games, including yesterday's - although Rowand did not play.

http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/sports/16874400.htm

Until i read that Phillies scouts are at Sox games checking in on Heath Phillips, Wes Whisler, Adam Russell, Sean Tracey, Boone Logan, etc.... I'm chalking this one up to Cowley's usual pull-a-story-out-of-my-ass antics.

Lucifer

03-11-2007, 09:43 AM

They've got 5 now if you count Mackowiak.

Theres a reason nobody mensioned that name.:cool:

Lucifer

03-11-2007, 09:45 AM

i just hope this isnt just some made up rumour.
is it for real?
i hate when they get us excited about a trade then nothing happens.

Let us pray that this horrible rumor is false and that BA will guide us into the light.:D

soxwon

03-11-2007, 10:35 AM

Let us pray that this horrible rumor is false and that BA will guide us into the light.:D

i must disagree, this would be a great deal, unless we give up thornton.
rowand is much better than BA. This would guarantee uds the post season.
But im not holding my breath on it happening (the deal).

fquaye14ten

03-11-2007, 10:54 AM

Lucifer

03-11-2007, 02:37 PM

i must disagree, this would be a great deal, unless we give up thornton.
rowand is much better than BA. This would guarantee uds the post season.
But im not holding my breath on it happening (the deal).

Sorry but theres no way our post season hinders on a guy like Rowand. He's a great Defensive player with an average bat at best. Give BA a chance and accept the fact that Rowand isnt coming back.

If Philli wouldnt do a deal for Linebrink then why the hell would they do it for a scrub like Tracey and Boone Logan? We will be fine with what we have. As Ive said before you have to give young players a chance to mature cause not everyone will come into the league hitting like Pujols or Griffey Jr.:rock:

Lucifer

03-11-2007, 02:38 PM

maurice

03-12-2007, 12:14 PM

LOL at people who are sure that Anderson is a bad player because he struggled at the plate in his 1st 200 MLB ABs and then did pretty good for the rest of the 2006 season. These same folks are convinced that Rowand (.262 AVE, 12 HR, 10 SB in 405 ABs and a major injury in 2006) and/or Erstad (.221 AVE, 0 HR, 1 SB in 95 ABs and a major injury in 2006) necessarily will be much better than BA in 2007.

fquaye14ten

03-12-2007, 12:16 PM

I'm pretty sure that Rowand or Erstad would HIT better than Anderson in 07. However, the question is how much better? And I think the answer is probably "not much".

I don't think we should expect much higher than .250 from BA. I'm not saying it can't happen, but if we EXPECT that, we're probably setting our expectations a little high.

However, assuming BA hits .250 and Rowand hits around his career AVG of .272 it's not nearly worth the downgrade Rowand provides in CF. Especially since BA has the potential to be a great hitter, and it looks like Rowand's 04 days are behind him.

BFC

03-12-2007, 12:18 PM

I find it extremely ironic that probably the same people who were clamoring for Rowand to go a few years back now want him back because they're convinced that BA will suck...like Rowand did in his first few years in the league.

maurice

03-12-2007, 12:21 PM

I'm pretty sure that Rowand or Erstad would HIT better than Anderson in 07. However, the question is how much better? And I think the answer is probably "not much".

Agreed but even this assumes that Erstad and Rowand can start the entire season in CF without suffering a serious injury. Rowand probably could pull it off, but his nickname "Crash" is well-earned. OTOH, you can't reasonably expect Erstad to start the entire season in CF at this stage of his career.

Bonzosa

03-12-2007, 12:21 PM

This story is a teaser, playing with fans' undying love for all things Rowand.
No doubt that he hustles and plays hard, but to trade for him would be a mistake.
Sportswriters win again, we're talking about it...

Bonzosa

03-12-2007, 12:24 PM

Rowand's maybe 20-30 points in BA better than BA and maybe 10 HR. However, he's not as good in the field. He may be worth, at BEST 2 games over BA, and that's IF (and it's a big IF) BA doesn't improve at all and Rowand doesn't continue to decline

This is a segway into...
Why hasn't anyone mentioned the good start BA is having? Sounds like he has been solid at the plate.
We all might be eating a'lotta crow if he plays well this year.

Pods, well, that's another story....

itsnotrequired

03-12-2007, 12:26 PM

This is a segway into...
Why hasn't anyone mentioned the good start BA is having? Sounds like he has been solid at the plate.
We all might be eating a'lotta crow if he plays well this year.

Pods, well, that's another story....

What the hell are you talking about? Anderson was batting .182 heading into the weekend.

maurice

03-12-2007, 03:57 PM

What the hell are you talking about? Anderson was batting .182 heading into the weekend.

Which got a lot of play in the media. Now that he's batting around .350 . . .

The moral of the story is that Spring Training stats mean nothing.

CaptainBallz

03-12-2007, 04:04 PM

We all might be eating a'lotta crow if he plays well this year.

I have nothing but the utmost faith in BA. It pains me that in his first full major league season, he has a bad half therefore he's an "issue".
Any move that sends BA packing that doesn't include all that and the bowl of grits (i.e. not Rowand) should be frowned upon.

Myrtle

03-12-2007, 04:09 PM

I have nothing but the utmost faith in BA. It pains me that in his first full major league season, he has a bad half therefore he's an "issue".
Any move that sends BA packing that doesn't include all that and the bowl of grits (i.e. not Rowand) should be frowned upon.

My response to the BA shit is... how many baseball superstars also had a superstar rookie season? Lay off the guy already. :thumbsup:

Lucifer

03-12-2007, 05:01 PM

My response to the BA shit is... how many baseball superstars also had a superstar rookie season? Lay off the guy already. :thumbsup:

Amazing how quickly people forget about how Paulie and Crede struggled when they were young with limited MLB experience.

I guess it was ok to let those guys go through their struggles but not BA!

I agree. Leave the fuckin guy alone til we see what he brings this season.:thumbsup: