Obligitory Frank Thomas Thread

[the fluffer]

Frank Thomas made his first appearance for the Blue Jays, going 1-for-3 with an RBI Thursday in a "B" game against the Phillies.

"I prefer to start late like this because you know what you're doing out there," said Thomas, who signed an $18.12 million, two-year contract this offseason. "You've had enough BP, enough cage work to know what you're doing out there."

Thomas is scheduled to be a designated hitter in Friday's "A" game against the Astros.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/spring2007/news/story?id=2791791

[fquaye14ten]

this is the obligatory "FRANK THOMAS FUCKING RULES" post

[Lucifer]

This is the obligatory "Frank is a whiny fuckin cry-baby" post.:D

[zmz]

this is the obligatory "He's not on the team anymore so don't talk about him" post :)

[Prope]

Obligatory "Anyone going to the Toronto series and want to bring ol' whacky Prope along for free?" post. Or just is anyone going to a game in the Toronto series?

[CaptainBallz]

I'll be rooting for Frank in the playoffs...

[Hangar18]

this is the " you people need to get a freakin' clue " mod post, heh heh.
Just kidding, Good Luck Big Frank, see you in Cooperstown

[LuvSox]

Here's to hoping Toronto wins the East this year.

[StockdaleforVeep]

IF we could have sig pix, id have voodoo's since its the only thing we agreed on. It will be interesting to see how bad his ankle handles the turf and the damn money exchange rate

[the fluffer]

What's the ETA on a "Scum laden BJs" filter??

[JohnBasedowYoda]

What's the ETA on a "Scum laden BJs" filter??

The boys at the lab and the boys downtown are still workin on the Joosh filter

[fquaye14ten]

Obligatory "sure he has some prima donna tendencies, but overall he's not as bad as his critics say and not as wonderful as his fans claim, and is destined for the Hall" post.

not as wonderful as his fans claim? how do you mean

[Lucifer]

Frank is a great ball player and I will never take that from him but he is a whiny fuckin cry-baby.

He whined like a little bitch after the Sox opted out.

He whined about his deferred money that was in his contract that he signed.

He has whined about his contracts that he signed.

He whined about the Sox exercizing the Diminished skills claus after he had been plagued by injuries and couldnt stay in the lineup. Funny how he never complained about getting paid to do nothing.

He whined about how he paid 90G per year in proporty taxes after his divorce.

Again, he is a great baseball player but I have no sympathy, compassion or patience for a muli million dollar a year player that whines and cries like a little bitch.:D

[fquaye14ten]

^^^lame

[Lucifer]

^^^lame
I dont mind the fact that you dont agree with what I had to say about Frank but I find it very amusing that "Lame" was the deepest insight you could come up with. Come on dude, Ive read your posts and I know you can come up with better than that. :nono:

[Myrtle]

The boys at the lab and the boys downtown are still workin on the Joosh filter

Oooh, neat! Can I have a filter too!?

[fquaye14ten]

I dont mind the fact that you dont agree with what I had to say about Frank but I find it very amusing that "Lame" was the deepest insight you could come up with. Come on dude, Ive read your posts and I know you can come up with better than that. :nono:

i was drunk. i still think it's lame though

[the fluffer]

i was drunk.

That's always your excuse. :thumbsup:

[fquaye14ten]

this is like the first time this board has seem the drunkass fquaye post. won't be the last

[the fluffer]

this is like the first time this board has seem the drunkass fquaye post. won't be the last

much like the drunken and completely random Patyon Manning IMs I get from you...

You: Payton Manning sucks
Me: No he doesn't
You: I'm drunk

[Lucifer]

i was drunk. i still think it's lame though

Again I feel I must comment on the "Lame" insite you offer. So anytime the truth is spoken its "Lame"? That how it works? :ok:

[the fluffer]

Again I feel I must comment on the "Lame" insite you offer. So anytime the truth is spoken its "Lame"? That how it works? :ok:

No. It's fairly simple... anyone who disagrees with fquaye is fucking lame. Its in the SATC code of conduct and not understanding and adhering to this rule can get you a three-day rip, or something.

[Lucifer]

No. It's fairly simple... anyone who disagrees with fquaye is fucking lame. Its in the SATC code of conduct and not understanding and adhering to this rule can get you a three-day rip, or something.


Thanks for the info dude. Since thats the case Im glad Im "Lame".:clap:

[the fluffer]

Thanks for the info dude. Since thats the case Im glad Im "Lame".:clap:

You didn't post at WSI, did you?? It wasn't a rip on you... it was a rip on the WSI admins banning people for disagreeing with them. THAT was lame.

[fquaye14ten]

much like the drunken and completely random Patyon Manning IMs I get from you...

You: Payton Manning sucks
Me: No he doesn't
You: I'm drunk

that's bs. you know all i do is send you pictures of peyton with hindus

[the fluffer]

that's bs. you know all i do is send you pictures of peyton with hindus

ok... let me rephrase that......


You: Payton Manning sucks
Me: No he doesn't
You: Here's a picture of Payton Manning with a bunch of hindus
You: I'm drunk

[Lucifer]

I also thought it was lame from an otherwise solid poster. We've heard that rant a million times over the years, so lame is about all anyone has left for that.

Just offering some reasoning as to why Thomas doesnt have the respect of all Sox fans and seeing as how this thread is about Thomas it would be the logical place for that rant.:rock:

[fquaye14ten]

maybe if you did it rationally, but you call him a "whiny fucking crybaby" and accuse him of "whining like a bitch" about things that have more to do with shitty management and a lack of respect the organization had for him than anything rational.

That post was essentially what Mariotti would write if he posted on this messageboard: accusing Frank about "whining" about things but not presenting the facts for why he might have felt slighted.

[the fluffer]

Just offering some reasoning as to why Thomas doesnt have the respect of all Sox fans and seeing as how this thread is about Thomas it would be the logical place for that rant.:rock:

Well..... if not ALL sox fans respect Frank Thomas, it is a shame. He is the greatest hitter of his time, the greatedt hitter in Sox franchise history and is a first-ballot HOFer. Who cares if he shot his mouth off about his contract or the general manager... FT was always good to the fans and was the best baseball player this sox fan ever witnessed.

[Lucifer]

You didn't post at WSI, did you?? It wasn't a rip on you... it was a rip on the WSI admins banning people for disagreeing with them. THAT was lame.

No I didnt. I understood what ya said dude. No offense was taken. I was being funny when I said Im glad Im Lame if thats how the code of conduct works.:thumbsup:

WSI and SoxTalk have alot in common. I wonder if they share the same Admins and Mods.:jagoff:

[Lucifer]

Well..... if not ALL sox fans respect Frank Thomas, it is a shame. He is the greatest hitter of his time, the greatedt hitter in Sox franchise history and is a first-ballot HOFer. Who cares if he shot his mouth off about his contract or the general manager... FT was always good to the fans and was the best baseball player this sox fan ever witnessed.

I respect and appreciate what he did for the Sox while in uniform but crying in the papers about things Ive already listed is why I wont respect him as a person. What can I say, thats just how I feel.

[the fluffer]

I respect and appreciate what he did for the Sox while in uniform but crying in the papers about things Ive already listed is why I wont respect him as a person. What can I say, thats just how I feel.

The thing is... Frank Thomas is an extremely nice person, when it boils down. Hell, I bitch at my boss all the time about stupid shit at work. Review time rolls around, I bitch that I want more money... Does that make me a bad person? I just don't have reporters and TV cameras around to magnify it.

[Lucifer]

maybe if you did it rationally, but you call him a "whiny fucking crybaby" and accuse him of "whining like a bitch" about things that have more to do with shitty management and a lack of respect the organization had for him than anything rational.

That post was essentially what Mariotti would write if he posted on this messageboard: accusing Frank about "whining" about things but not presenting the facts for why he might have felt slighted.

I wasnt accusing Frank of whining. I heard Frank whining on the tv and read his quotes in the papers. The things I said are based on these facts and not one of them has anything to do with your favorite sports writer either. This goes back long before he ever left the Sox. You do watch tv and read the papers right?:D

IMO, the reason he is a whiner is because he didnt handle his business like a professional and take up his beef with management behind closed doors. Instead he whines and cries to the public trying to get sympathy from the fans to help his situation. I wasnt happy about his "poor me" routine.

This sounds like a really fun topic to argue over and I have all afternoon so now its your turn my friend!:)

[Lucifer]

In my book, Thomas put up HOF numbers for the better part of 15 years with the only exceptions being caused by injury. He helped put us back on the map after the bleak late 80s and was the main cog in one of the better overall runs in Sox history (1990-2005 era record-wise). Could he have been a nicer guy or more sensitive to racial issues or better with the media or less vocal about his gripes? Yes. But he's just a flawed human being like anyone else, not some virtuous role model/hero to us fans. To me none of that side stuff matters. But it does to you and lot of other people and that's fine, we all have our opinions...but I'll always say it's lame. What he did on the field speaks for itself.

Im not denying his HOF numbers and I would vote him in my-self. As I said I cant stand it when Thomas (athletes in general) cry about "poor me" when they make millions per year. I just cant respect someone who's like that it is all. Thats all I had to say about it and got it off my chest until "fq" chimed in with his most insightful POV. At least you have some insite as to why you disagree and thats cool with me. Im not trying to convince anyone otherwise.

[Lucifer]

The thing is... Frank Thomas is an extremely nice person, when it boils down. Hell, I bitch at my boss all the time about stupid shit at work. Review time rolls around, I bitch that I want more money... Does that make me a bad person? I just don't have reporters and TV cameras around to magnify it.

I understand what you're saying but the thing is if I have a beef I take it up with that person and that person only. When I want a raise from my boss I go to him and say whats on my mind and thats it. I dont look for support from other people I work with cause its not their business. I handle my business and if I dont like what the boss has to say then I either suck it up and deal with it or I can go get another job to better my self which is something I have done in the past. Thats just how I do things is all and thats why I frown on Thomas as a person.

[the fluffer]

I understand what you're saying but the thing is if I have a beef I take it up with that person and that person only. When I want a raise from my boss I go to him and say whats on my mind and thats it. I dont look for support from other people I work with cause its not their business. I handle my business and if I dont like what the boss has to say then I either suck it up and deal with it or I can go get another job to better my self which is something I have done in the past. Thats just how I do things is all and thats why I frown on Thomas as a person.

Point made... but I disagree with your willingness to disrespect the man simply because he made a few gripes publically. A lot of the bullshit we heard about and saw on TV with FT & management was perpetuated by the northside-biased sports media in Chicago, who wants to paint every story in cubbie-blue.

To me, its as if you are condemning a straight-A student for being late to class. FT aways got a pass from me.

Did you ever hear about Frank Thomas beating his wife? Did he ever get a DUI, get arrested for carrying unregistered firearms in the glovebox of his SUV? Throw a cellphone at a fan in the stands? Cork his bat? Use performance enhancing drugs???


.....

Didn't think so.

Our opinions of how to judge the man and not the player may vary, but the fact remains that Frank Thomas is a high-character athlete and is the greatest baseball player Chicago has ever seen.

End of discussion (for me at least)...

[Lucifer]

DaleJr. What does the Chub biased have anything to do with Thomas standing in front of a tv camera whining about the things I've already described? I heard with my own ears and seen with my own eyes. Chub biased didnt open his mouth like a puppet and make him say what he had to say. Again he is responsible for his own actions and no one else is to blame.

Im not telling anyone what to say or think about Thomas but you have yet to make a valid point. If ya want to agree to disagree that is fine with me but dont get pissy when I defend what I say cause people call me out on it.:)

[the fluffer]

but you have yet to make a valid point. If ya want to agree to disagree that is fine with me but dont get pissy when I defend what I say cause people call me out on it.:)

Seriously... are you physically incapable of comprehending written English language or do you deliberately and intentionally disregard valid opinions made that are against your own?? :confused:

Point made... but I disagree with your willingness to disrespect the man simply because he made a few gripes publically. A lot of the bullshit we heard about and saw on TV with FT & management was perpetuated by the northside-biased sports media in Chicago, who wants to paint every story in cubbie-blue.

To me, its as if you are condemning a straight-A student for being late to class. FT aways got a pass from me.

Did you ever hear about Frank Thomas beating his wife? Did he ever get a DUI, get arrested for carrying unregistered firearms in the glovebox of his SUV? Throw a cellphone at a fan in the stands? Cork his bat? Use performance enhancing drugs???


.....

Didn't think so.

Our opinions of how to judge the man and not the player may vary, but the fact remains that Frank Thomas is a high-character athlete and is the greatest baseball player Chicago has ever seen.

End of discussion (for me at least)...


What they have in common, however, are some big flaws. But you never heard about Jordan's, did you? His gambling addiction, his womanizing...Thomas didn't have any of those--and others that Jr pointed out, which are true flaws--yet one is a saint and the other is an ogre. Go figure.

I am soooooo done with this thread. :jagoff:

[Lucifer]

Frank was a superstar and thus he was put on a pedestal much like a Michael Jordan. The difference between the two is the latter was political and image-conscious. Frank was never like that, it's just not in his character. What they have in common, however, are some big flaws. But you never heard about Jordan's, did you? His gambling addiction, his womanizing...Thomas didn't have any of those--and others that Jr pointed out, which are true flaws--yet one is a saint and the other is an ogre. Go figure.

You just answered your own question man. Jordan handled his affairs behind closed doors and even when info was leaked he still handled it like a professional. Not once did he cry to the fans and try and get their support on a personal issue. If he was wrong on something he admitted to it like a man rather whining like a baby.

You guys are making me laugh when you continue to bring up points about what Thomas did as a player. For the 3rd time now, I dont deny what Thomas did for the team and the org. Not once have I said anything bad what he has done for the White Sox. Thats not at all what Im talking about.

Now can we agree to disagree or do we have to keep making the same points over and over again.:)

[the fluffer]

Now can we agree to disagree or do we have to keep making the same points over and over again.:)

Dude.... its not that at all... It's that you keep beating the "Frank Thomas is a head case" tone to death. At any point in this thread, if a poster disagreed with you, your immediate reponse was to completely disregard their VALID reasoning for respecting Thomas as a man and as an athlete as if it hadn't even been said and acuse the poster(s) of endless arguing.

[Lucifer]

Seriously... are you physically incapable of comprehending written English language or do you deliberately and intentionally disregard valid opinions made that are against your own?? :confused:






I am soooooo done with this thread. :jagoff:

I see why you are so confused but lets just stick to Thomas shall we. Yes I comprehend the English language very well thank you. After all we are having this discussion arent we. Shit, Im not speaking Chinese yet again am I? :D

Seriously though. Getting mad and taking weak little cheap shots isnt going to accomplish anything. My last post to you explained where Im coming from but yet again you want to go off subject and discuss the English language and not Thomas.

You getting mad isnt accomplishing anything. Thats not entirely true cause I am laughing at all of this so thanks for the laughs and maybe we can play nice on another thread sometime. Have a nice day.:)

[Lucifer]

Dude.... its not that at all... It's that you keep beating the "Frank Thomas is a head case" tone to death. At any point in this thread, if a poster disagreed with you, your immediate reponse was to completely disregard their VALID reasoning for respecting Thomas as a man and as an athlete as if it hadn't even been said and acuse the poster(s) of endless arguing.

Thats how this started. I said he was a cry baby for the things he said.:D

Thats why you guys are arguing with me so thats what this IS about now isnt it.

Maybe its really about how you take it personally that someone doesnt agree with you. You're the one getting pissed not me. Again, Im sitting here laughing! :)

[the fluffer]

You just answered your own question man. Jordan handled his affairs behind closed doors and even when info was leaked he still handled it like a professional. Not once did he cry to the fans and try and get their support on a personal issue. If he was wrong on something he admitted to it like a man rather whining like a baby.

You guys are making me laugh when you continue to bring up points about what Thomas did as a player. For the 3rd time now, I dont deny what Thomas did for the team and the org. Not once have I said anything bad what he has done for the White Sox. Thats not at all what Im talking about.

Now can we agree to disagree or do we have to keep making the same points over and over again.:)

Wait... let me get this straight... You disregard Frank Thomas and are unable to "respect" him as a man because he publically bitched about his contract, yet you defend Michael Jordan for cheating on his wife, being a compulsive gambler, etc... but keeping it hidden and off the 9 o'clock news and "doing it for the organization"??

So if I cheat on my wife, gamble away zillions of dollars and get run out of my professional sports league for two years as a result, but have kept it quiet, I have earned your respect in the process?

That's just straight bullshit.

[Efilnikufesin]

Seriously... are you physically incapable of comprehending written English language or do you deliberately and intentionally disregard valid opinions made that are against your own?? :confused:






I am soooooo done with this thread. :jagoff:

Maybe I missed that one.. All I saw was you blaming the Cubs based media for Thomas whining to the fans about being a millionaire. I do recall after a certain now 3b for the Yankees inked a 25mil a year deal and having a fairly decent season the first in years a Mr. Frank Thomas bitch to the Chicago media how he felt he was under paid. How the White Sox should have given him a raise.. How was that the Cubs media spinning that? I heard it from his own mouth?

I am by far the biggest Thomas backer.. for his production on the field, AS Luc said, he used the media to try and get Sox mangment to give him more money.. it backfire. He should have kept that stuff behind closed doors like a professional.

Great Player.. Lossy PR.

[Lucifer]

Wait... let me get this straight... You disregard Frank Thomas and are unable to "respect" him as a man because he publically bitched about his contract, yet you defend Michael Jordan for cheating on his wife, being a compulsive gambler, etc... but keeping it hidden and off the 9 o'clock news and "doing it for the organization"??

So if I cheat on my wife, gamble away zillions of dollars and get run out of my professional sports league for two years as a result, but have kept it quiet, I have earned your respect in the process?

That's just straight bullshit.

You still here DaleJr? I thought you were done with this thread.:cool:

I will say this one more time cuz as much fun as this is it is getting old for me saying the same thing over and over. Ready...Here we go, I dont deny that Jordan did some things wrong but I respect him cause he handled those things like a man should. He didnt deny the things he did but admitted that he made a mistake and thats why people still love the shit out of him. He didnt try to bullshit the fans or whine and cry like Thomas.

When it came time to contract talks and shit like that he kept that stuff behind closed doors where it belonged and didnt cry to the media cause he handled it like man.

Ok my friend its your turn!:)

[Efilnikufesin]

You still here DaleJr? I thought you were done with this thread.:cool:

I will say this one more time cuz as much fun as this is it is getting old for me saying the same thing over and over. Ready...Here we go, I dont deny that Jordan did some things wrong but I respect him cause he handled those things like a man should. He didnt deny the things he did but admitted that he made a mistake and thats why people still love the shit out of him. He didnt try to bullshit the fans or whine and cry like Thomas.

When it came time to contract talks and shit like that he kept that stuff behind closed doors where it belonged and didnt cry to the media cause he handled it like man.

Ok my friend its your turn!:)

Exactly, that shit is personal keep it where it belongs, not out in the public. They are sports stars, not your personal friends... most fans don't get that. Do your job on the field and keep your mouth shut.

[Iwritecode]

:popcorn:

[Lucifer]

:popcorn:

Enjoying the feature presentation?:thumbsup:

[Lucifer]

Exactly, that shit is personal keep it where it belongs, not out in the public. They are sports stars, not your personal friends... most fans don't get that. Do your job on the field and keep your mouth shut.

Thank you. Someone who gets what Ive been trying to say for 6 useless post padding pages.:thumbsup:

[Unregistered]

I will say this one more time cuz as much fun as this is it is getting old for me saying the same thing over and over. Ready...Here we go, I dont deny that Jordan did some things wrong but I respect him cause he handled those things like a man should. He didnt deny the things he did but admitted that he made a mistake and thats why people still love the shit out of him. He didnt try to bullshit the fans or whine and cry like Thomas.

I do think the idea that Jordan didn't "retire" - and that he was actually suspended for 2 years for gambling (which Stern covered up because he was the NBA's most popular player) and that his father was murdered in connection with Jordan's gambling debt is pretty intriguing.

Not saying it's true. Not saying it's my business, but it's still intriguing as shit.

[Iwritecode]

Enjoying the feature presentation?:thumbsup:

I always enjoy reading back and forth discussions when they really get going. Especially when you know they'll be allowed to continue.

Unfortunately I rarely take part in them because I have this weird ability to see the points on both sides of the issue and not make up my mind on which side to take.

[Unregistered]

I always enjoy reading back and forth discussions when they really get going. Especially when you know they'll be allowed to continue.

Unfortunately I rarely take part in them because I have this weird ability to see the points on both sides of the issue and not make up my mind on which side to take.

Likewise. What can I say? I'm a fuckin' Libra. :shrug:

[Lucifer]

Iwritecode/Unregistered. Theres nothing wrong with what you guys said. I do the same thing on certain baseball arguements like ERA vs. Wins. I could argue that from both sides.

I think were all done arguing now so its on to the next topic.:thumbsup:

[Iwritecode]

I'm a fuckin' Libra. :shrug:

Same here.

[SoxFan76]

Lucifer, I didn't read the whole thread, but I needed to respond to your whiner comment.

Frank was screwed by this organization time after time. The greatest player in Sox history wasn't even paid the most on the team. Is that so wrong? He had legit complaints.

[Lucifer]

Lucifer, I didn't read the whole thread, but I needed to respond to your whiner comment.

Frank was screwed by this organization time after time. The greatest player in Sox history wasn't even paid the most on the team. Is that so wrong? He had legit complaints.

Ya missed the bus on this dude. Ive said all I have to say and it appears as though the people that debated the issue with me agree seeing as how we all let it die yesterday. If ya want to know my reasoning behind my comments then go back and read the thread cause Im not about to repeat my self again on a dead issue. I think DaleJr, Zoso and my self would agree that nobody is gonna change their minds so why bother? The method to my madness lies within these 7 pages. Thats all I have to say.:rock:

[fquaye14ten]

you're entitled to your opinion. just realize that even if you think frank was whining, calling him a whiny bitch is not the way to go about things on most white sox message boards

[SoxFan76]

Ya missed the bus on this dude. Ive said all I have to say and it appears as though the people that debated the issue with me agree seeing as how we all let it die yesterday. If ya want to know my reasoning behind my comments then go back and read the thread cause Im not about to repeat my self again on a dead issue. I think DaleJr, Zoso and my self would agree that nobody is gonna change their minds so why bother? The method to my madness lies within these 7 pages. Thats all I have to say.:rock:

Fair enough. That's why I made a point to say I didn't read the whole thread in my initial post.

[Lucifer]

Fair enough. That's why I made a point to say I didn't read the whole thread in my initial post.

Its cool dude. We all said our peace yesterday and we were getting along just fine on other threads so all is well in the universe.:D :thumbsup: