Who would you rather have Bulls fans

[Prope]

KG or Kobe?

[SoxFan76]

The Bulls pride themselves on being a team-oriented team. Kobe is the opposite. He's going to shoot the ball the vast majority of the time instead of dishing it off to Deng or Wallace. I'd rather have Garnett.

[Doug Simpson]

I doubt they would get either one, but if I had my way I would prefer Kobe.

[SABRSox]

I don't think this is a fair question, because you don't mention what would have to be lost to obtain either player. Obviously KG fits the biggest hole the Bulls have, the low-post scoring threat. But his contract ends in a year, so there's that spectre looming over the team. It would be all-or-nothing next year.

Kobe, while not a specific need for the Bulls, is the best player in the game. If you can get him without giving up Hinrich/Deng/Thomas he makes the Bulls the #1 team in the East, and formidable against any Western Conference foe. Then again, Kobe has the opt-out clause, and you'd have to ensure he doesn't use it if you traded for him.

If all things were equal, though, I would prefer Kobe, simply because he's the better player. Everyone thinks he's a ballhog, but he's not. He's an excellent passer, and the Kobe/Deng tandem would be killer, almost reminiscent of Jordan/Pippen. The other nice thing about Kobe is that he is not afraid to put the team on his back and win games on his own. I think for a team like the Bulls that runs the motion offense, you'd find it actually works better with a guy like Kobe.

[gbergman]

KG but not if it means giving up BG, TT, LD, KH, BW. Ship Duhon, our draft picks for this year, and our draft picks for next year for him.

[zmz]

KG but not if it means giving up BG, TT, LD, KH, BW. Ship Duhon, our draft picks for this year, and our draft picks for next year for him.

I wish that is all it would take, but it would likely take one of our core players to get him.

[gbergman]

Yea, I can dream though

[SABRSox]

I wish that is all it would take, but it would likely take one of our core players to get him.
I would trade Tyrus in a heartbeat if that is what it took to get Garnett.

[Prope]

I don't think this is a fair question, because you don't mention what would have to be lost to obtain either player. Obviously KG fits the biggest hole the Bulls have, the low-post scoring threat. But his contract ends in a year, so there's that spectre looming over the team. It would be all-or-nothing next year.
Well let's say the main pieces in each deal are obviously Duhon, Gordon, and #9. That is about 10 million. If you sign and trade PJ, based on last years figure of 8.5 Mil, that gets you Kobe. Add Nocioni with sign and trade at 4 Mil, that gets you Garnett. Not ideal for either Minnesota or the Lakers I know, but best I think Pax would offer.
Kobe, while not a specific need for the Bulls, is the best player in the game. If you can get him without giving up Hinrich/Deng/Thomas he makes the Bulls the #1 team in the East, and formidable against any Western Conference foe. Then again, Kobe has the opt-out clause, and you'd have to ensure he doesn't use it if you traded for him.
You can say the same thing if they get Garnett. Plus, Garnett fills that immediate need the Bulls have. It also, I feel, frees up Wallace for more not only on defense, but offense as well. I think Wallace is well worth the money when he was a PF like Rasheed alongside him, and how much of an upgrade is Garnett to Rasheed?
If all things were equal, though, I would prefer Kobe, simply because he's the better player. Everyone thinks he's a ballhog, but he's not. He's an excellent passer, and the Kobe/Deng tandem would be killer, almost reminiscent of Jordan/Pippen. The other nice thing about Kobe is that he is not afraid to put the team on his back and win games on his own. I think for a team like the Bulls that runs the motion offense, you'd find it actually works better with a guy like Kobe.
You and I agree that Kobe is not a ballhog, he just didn't have anybody to pass to. Again though, they only run the motion offense because they don't have that scorer down low. You add Garnett to the team and you can still run the motion offense, but you also know that you can go down low.

In summary, either one would be a good fit. Personally, I feel Garnett, based on the needs of the team now, is the better option.

Though I wouldn't mind Kobe at all.

[SABRSox]

The Bulls could not sign and trade as well as trade the pick, because contract signings cannot take place before the draft. What the Bulls could do is renounce the rights to Peej and Noce, and then trade the trade exception they would get by doing that to either the Lakers or Timberwolves.

But like you say, either player makes this team #1 in the East. It's not so much a matter of who, but which is cheaper to get. I get the feeling Kobe is the cheaper option (since Kupchak/Buss have no leverage at all.)

[Prope]

The Bulls could not sign and trade as well as trade the pick, because contract signings cannot take place before the draft. What the Bulls could do is renounce the rights to Peej and Noce, and then trade the trade exception they would get by doing that to either the Lakers or Timberwolves.
That I did not know, so thanks. Well I think I did at least. :shrug:

Anyways, I remember Philly picking Sefalosha and us picking Carney last year and then swapping them. If available couldn't we just as easily pick who the T'Wolves like and then make that trade?

But like you say, either player makes this team #1 in the East. It's not so much a matter of who, but which is cheaper to get. I get the feeling Kobe is the cheaper option (since Kupchak/Buss have no leverage at all.)
Yeah, but McHale really doesn't have that great of leverage either. He's fucked up how many deals regarding Garnett?

[SABRSox]

The difference with the Thabo/Carney deal was that we traded the rights to Carney for the rights to Sefolosha.

Since Peej and Noce are free agents, it doesn't work the same.

As for McHale, while he doesn't have great leverage, KG will play in Minny if he has to. Kobe will, most likely, refuse to play for the Laker organization again.

[the fluffer]

I'd MUCH rather have two smoking hot 18-21 year olds naked in my bedroom... but we can't all be beggers.

I'll take Christian Laetner. He is the missing piece to the puzzle known as Scot Skiles' Chicago Bulls.

[ewokpelts]

i always wanted a rapist to hog my team's balls

[10,000mileWhiteSox]

I 'd rather have a KG type in our front court to solve our scoring problem in the post. But with Kobe, he solves the lack of height in the perimeter problem, while being a main go to guy. But I'd rather see the Bulls land KG.

[StockdaleforVeep]

none of them would survive with wallace there

[Prope]

none of them would survive with wallace there
Since you've proven already to know nothing about the NBA, I'll tread lightly....

How do you figure?

i always wanted a rapist to hog my team's balls
Good thing he was convicted then right??

[ewokpelts]

Good thing he was convicted then right??he's a rich rapist...they get off...just like rich murderers....ask oj about that one

[Prope]

he's a rich rapist...they get off...just like rich murderers....ask oj about that one
Good lord, I hate to start up the rape thread again but please. Yes, Kobe is rich and famous - sounds like a guy that a girl who had FRIENDS TESTIFY that she was MENTALLY UNBALANCED could get some money suckered from.

He wasn't convicted, let it go.

[ewokpelts]

Good lord, I hate to start up the rape thread again but please. Yes, Kobe is rich and famous - sounds like a guy that a girl who had FRIENDS TESTIFY that she was MENTALLY UNBALANCED could get some money suckered from.

He wasn't convicted, let it go.and he paid her off......she dropped the charges right after the check cleared

[SOXFAN4LIFE]

Garnett FTW!

[10,000mileWhiteSox]

and he paid her off......she dropped the charges right after the check cleared

You do realize that part of the reason why the case was dropped was because she didn't want her social worker to disclose her sex life to the whole national media. Though supposedly, when the court seized her panties, they had semen from two other guys one before and after the Kobe incident. I really don't like Kobe as a person, but the fact of the matter is, she was no better. You also forget that in a civil case, only a preponderance of evidence is required in order for the defendant to lose the case; whereas in a criminal case, there has to be proof beyond a reasonable doubt in order for the defendant to be found guilty.

[chisoxfanatic]

Kobe, while not a specific need for the Bulls, is the best player in the game.

I voted for Tim Duncan as NBA Player of the Year over Kobe in the ESPY Awards polling! :cool:

I'd rather have Kevin Garnett for two reasons:

1. He isn't a royal headcase
2. He's local, which would be golden in so many aspects

[ewokpelts]

You do realize that part of the reason why the case was dropped was because she didn't want her social worker to disclose her sex life to the whole national media. Though supposedly, when the court seized her panties, they had semen from two other guys one before and after the Kobe incident. I really don't like Kobe as a person, but the fact of the matter is, she was no better. You also forget that in a civil case, only a preponderance of evidence is required in order for the defendant to lose the case; whereas in a criminal case, there has to be proof beyond a reasonable doubt in order for the defendant to be found guilty.just because she was a ho dosent mean she wasnt raped.
and the fact remains...kobe gave her money to drop the charges. if he was certain he was innocent, he would have NOT paid her, and let it go to a civil trial.

[10,000mileWhiteSox]

just because she was a ho dosent mean she wasnt raped.
and the fact remains...kobe gave her money to drop the charges. if he was certain he was innocent, he would have NOT paid her, and let it go to a civil trial.

Again, there is a HUGE difference between a civil case and a criminal case. In order for the plaintiff to win the civil case, there ONLY needs to be a preponderance of evidence whereas in a criminal case there has to be a burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Again, I really don't like Kobe either way, but at least make a relevant argument when you talk about why Kobe is guilty. You saying that the reason why he's guilty is because he paid money makes very little to no sense at all. Now Michael Jackson on the other hand, you could make that argument.

[ewokpelts]

Again, there is a HUGE difference between a civil case and a criminal case. In order for the plaintiff to win the civil case, there ONLY needs to be a preponderance of evidence whereas in a criminal case there has to be a burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Again, I really don't like Kobe either way, but at least make a relevant argument when you talk about why Kobe is guilty. You saying that the reason why he's guilty is because he paid money makes very little to no sense at all. Now Michael Jackson on the other hand, you could make that argument.ok...try this on for size, if it were to go to a civil trial, kobe would be allowed to show the fact that she was a starfucking hobag. the case would be ALL ABOUT her character. all kobe and his lawyers would say is "she's a ho, and she got pissed when kobe got too rough and wouldnt give her hush money". considering how she basically made herself out to be a ho by dropping the charges, a jury could rule little or no damages to her. but kobe opted to give her money to drop the case, and he can go back to hogging the ball for a shitty laker team.

[SABRSox]

You guys and the Kobe rape stuff is almost as bad as Efil and his Maggs lust.

[maurice]

I don't know what really happened but, if we're assuming that she's a "ho," why would she bang everybody EXCEPT the good-looking, rich, and famous guy?

if he was certain he was innocent, he would have NOT paid her, and let it go to a civil trial.

That doesn't make any sense. You can just as easily say, "if she was certain he was guilty, she would have NOT taken the settlement, and let it go to a civil trial AND a criminal trial." That way, she gets paid, AND he goes to jail for the horrible thing he supposedly did.

More likely, everything was consensual. From her perspective, she wanted to get paid. From his perspective as a famous married man, even consensual sex makes him look bad, so he paid to make it go away and to avoid future legal expenses (which happens all the time). Keep in mind that he also had to pay off his wife.

[fquaye14ten]

i find it kind of ridiculous that you guys don't trust skiles enough to find a way to shape a team around the best scorer in the NBA.

I really don't see them competing against Lebron without top notch talent. Maybe KG's the answer, but I doubt it.

[maurice]

I don't trust Skiles enough to find a way to make it through the season without strangling Bryant. I mean, Skiles almost threw down with SHAQ back in the day. I can't imagine that he wants Bryant on his team.

[getonbckthr]

Kobe has Ice running through his veins he is a finisher. Look at he has done with those Laker teams, imagine what he would do here.

[SABRSox]

As long as Kobe practiced hard, Skiles wouldn't have a problem with him.

[Prope]

I don't trust Skiles enough to find a way to make it through the season without strangling Bryant. I mean, Skiles almost threw down with SHAQ back in the day. I can't imagine that he wants Bryant on his team.
Just seeing the way he reacts on the court, I see that Skiles as a coach emphasizes
1. Defense
2. Effort
3. Defense
4. Teamwork
5. Defense

Kobe is actually a pretty decent defender, and a good passer. I see no reason why he wouldn't be that for Skiles.

[fquaye14ten]

exactly...

the three best players in the game are:

nash
lebron
kobe

the three best scorers in the game are:

kobe
arenas
....nowitzski i guess...

skiles would find a way to work with him. he's not shaq. shaq takes 3 months off a year. kobe has never been accused of not playing hard...he may be selfish, but that's because he has no outside talent nor a scheme to work in. he's shown time and again he can be part of a successful championship TEAM.

what's the big deal here?

[ewokpelts]

I don't know what really happened but, if we're assuming that she's a "ho," why would she bang everybody EXCEPT the good-looking, rich, and famous guy?



That doesn't make any sense. You can just as easily say, "if she was certain he was guilty, she would have NOT taken the settlement, and let it go to a civil trial AND a criminal trial." That way, she gets paid, AND he goes to jail for the horrible thing he supposedly did.

More likely, everything was consensual. From her perspective, she wanted to get paid. From his perspective as a famous married man, even consensual sex makes him look bad, so he paid to make it go away and to avoid future legal expenses (which happens all the time). Keep in mind that he also had to pay off his wife.um...he paid her off AFTER HE GOT ARRESTED...pretty dumb if you ask me.

Kobe is so damn good, this Bulls team would be top notch with him.Who'd be left after you traded for kobe? Chris Duhon and Kirk Hinrich? Cuz the lakers would want pretty much EVERYTHING the bulls have(young cheap players) for kobe.

Kobe has Ice running through his veins he is a finisher. Look at he has done with those Laker teams, imagine what he would do here.yeah, how many trophies has he brought home after shaq-fu left?

[maurice]

um...he paid her off AFTER HE GOT ARRESTED...pretty dumb if you ask me.

What does that have to do with anything?

This post sucks.

Gene

[Prope]

yeah, how many trophies has he brought home after shaq-fu left?
Shaq >>>>>>>>>> Luke Walton
Shaq >>>>>>>>>> Kwame Brown
Shaq >>>>>>>>>> Lamar Odom
Shaq >>>>>>>>>> Andrew Bynum