Retail Idea for 35th Street

[Hangar18]

This has been long discussed, thought it would be worth bringing up again, seeing that Jimbo's isn't long for the neighborhood. Was out recently and a few "fans" mentioned how there was nothing to do once leaving the ballpark, before and after the game.

My idea, was for the SOX to allow the 150 or so feet across the street from
the eastern most part of Gate3, all the way towards the auxiliary parking lot
next to the SOX marquee board. With that amount of space, should allow for at least 3 restaurants/bars to be in that space ...........

Discuss

[LuvSox]

Will someone please think of the school bus parking?

[Hangar18]

Will someone please think of the school bus parking?

Its pretty easy, just move the parking north only about 100 feet or so?

[the fluffer]

how about a nice Borders/Starbucks/PotteryBarn complex

[Hangar18]

how about a nice Borders/Starbucks/PotteryBarn complex

the first 2 may end up at 35th & Halsted actually ..........

[CaptainBallz]

i vote bed, bath, and beyond.

[cbotnyse]

This has been long discussed, thought it would be worth bringing up again, seeing that Jimbo's isn't long for the neighborhood. Was out recently and a few "fans" mentioned how there was nothing to do once leaving the ballpark, before and after the game.

My idea, was for the SOX to allow the 150 or so feet across the street from
the eastern most part of Gate3, all the way towards the auxiliary parking lot
next to the SOX marquee board. With that amount of space, should allow for at least 3 restaurants/bars to be in that space ...........

DiscussI totally agree with that, and it annoys me sometimes. Please give me a nice sports bar/restaurant to go to, thats all I ask.

[cheeses_h_rice]

I know this will never fly, but I wonder if the Sox have ever talked to the city about selling off Armour Square Park to the highest bidders and letting some well-heeled types put in something huge like a brew pub (a la the one across the street from Safeco) or even a series of bars/restaurants. The other area around the Cell that I wouldn't mind seeing go is the depressing public housing complex south of the park, but obviously that's a hugely charged issue in and of itself.

p.s. Hangar, nice looking site you got here.

[cbotnyse]

I know this will never fly, but I wonder if the Sox have ever talked to the city about selling off Armour Square Park to the highest bidders and letting some well-heeled types put in something huge like a brew pub (a la the one across the street from Safeco) or even a series of bars/restaurants. The other area around the Cell that I wouldn't mind seeing go is the depressing public housing complex south of the park, but obviously that's a hugely charged issue in and of itself.

p.s. Hangar, nice looking site you got here.I've always thought of that too, but I think the residents of Bridgeport would never let Armour Square Park go. I always thought of cutting the parking lot accross from the park (and just north of ASP)in half and building something there.

[Goose]

what are they planning on doing to the land where the RTH's once stood? That is not too far from the park (obviously you would want something right outside of the stadium, but...) and is a huge plot of land that may turn out great for something like an entertainment area.

[Hangar18]

I know this will never fly, but I wonder if the Sox have ever talked to the city about selling off Armour Square Park to the highest bidders and letting some well-heeled types put in something huge like a brew pub (a la the one across the street from Safeco) or even a series of bars/restaurants. The other area around the Cell that I wouldn't mind seeing go is the depressing public housing complex south of the park, but obviously that's a hugely charged issue in and of itself.

p.s. Hangar, nice looking site you got here.

Thanks brother and Welcome

[BigBadBill]

I guess a strip joint is out of the question?

[cheeses_h_rice]

what are they planning on doing to the land where the RTH's once stood? That is not too far from the park (obviously you would want something right outside of the stadium, but...) and is a huge plot of land that may turn out great for something like an entertainment area.

The big tower on 35th across from IIT is now being turned into townhomes for the well heeled. I imagine the same fate awaits the others, as those neighborhoods improve.

[Goose]

The big tower on 35th across from IIT is now being turned into townhomes for the well heeled. I imagine the same fate awaits the others, as those neighborhoods improve.

And with that comes the bars and restaurants. I dont see this as being something that is too far off...the bars, that is, if what you are saying comes to fruition.

[CaptainBallz]

The big tower on 35th across from IIT is now being turned into townhomes for the well heeled. I imagine the same fate awaits the others, as those neighborhoods improve.

One would think that they'd naturally develop the area with bars/ANYTHING to do outside the stadium, but with the development of yuppie housing I can see major issues every step of the way for any developer/business owner that wants to keep people in the area later and leaving the area MORE intoxicated...

[cbotnyse]

Any kind of bar on 35th would make an insane amount of money. Does it have to be an outside owner? Couldn't the Sox run a bar?yeah no kidding. Lets invest and build one damn it. I'm in, who's coming with me?

[cbotnyse]

I have 1100 bucks to throw down. Let's go halfsies.No forget it, I say we keep saving our money for the worm store!

[cheeses_h_rice]

I have 1100 bucks to throw down. Let's go halfsies.

I have $1101. We'll call it "Cheeses'".

:rock:

[cbotnyse]

How about "Cheeses and Zoso's Family Feedbag?":rolleyes: How about "The White Sox Board of Drinking Exchange?"

[cheeses_h_rice]

How about "Cheeses and Zoso's Family Feedbag?"

:thumbsup:

We can decorate the walls with things like an alligator with sunglasses.

:rock:

[CaptainBallz]

CaptainBeerz's

[Hangar18]

what are they planning on doing to the land where the RTH's once stood? That is not too far from the park (obviously you would want something right outside of the stadium, but...) and is a huge plot of land that may turn out great for something like an entertainment area.

That land is spoken for now ......... theres a huge condo/towhhome development going up there now .......... pretty nice from what I've seen.
That whole area is going to be different ...............very soon

[Goose]

:rolleyes: How about "The White Sox Board of Drinking Exchange?"

I say we call it:

"The Place to Be"

<insert Frank Costanza pic here>

[maurice]

Along with Hangar, I've been an advocate of retail spaces on 35th St. for quite awhile. I have no interest in seeing chain places pop up in a decidedly non-chain neighborhood, but it just makes way too much sense. JR obviously is concerned about competition, but the Sox and the State have total control over the immediate area.
:shrug:

High-rise public housing is on the way out across the city. It's being replaced by mixed-income developments. OTOH, Daley has no plans to remove low-rise public housing or parks. Quite the contrary . . .

[SABRSox]

The Sox ought to figure out a way to incorporate something into the park like they have up at Miller Park, a restaurant open every day save Christmas. Personally, They could deep six the players parking lot and put it there, and maybe find some underground parking for the players.

[cbotnyse]

Along with Hangar, I've been an advocate of retail spaces on 35th St. for quite awhile. I have no interest in seeing chain places pop up in a decidedly non-chain neighborhood, but it just makes way too much sense. JR obviously is concerned about competition, but the Sox and the State have total control over the immediate area.
:shrug:

High-rise public housing is on the way out across the city. It's being replaced by mixed-income developments. OTOH, Daley has no plans to remove low-rise public housing or parks. Quite the contrary . . .

The Sox ought to figure out a way to incorporate something into the park like they have up at Miller Park, a restaurant open every day save Christmas. Personally, They could deep six the players parking lot and put it there, and maybe find some underground parking for the players.:helloexactly:

[Goose]

... I have no interest in seeing chain places pop up in a decidedly non-chain neighborhood, but it just makes way too much sense. JR obviously is concerned about competition...

I am fully against the chains moving in as well. I am anti-chain across the board.

I do not see, however, how anything (bars/restaurants) in the immediate area are of any concern to JR. In fact, I would think that JR and the Sox would welcome any/all entertainment into the area...this would only help in the attendance for the Sox. See, if there was somewhere to go before and after the games, the game itself would become a focal point of an overall event. People would be more likely to come to the park becuase there would be more to do when the game is not going on. Go eat at a restaurant before the game, go to the game and get your obligatory hotdog and drink, go out drinking/eat after the game. makes for a full eventful day rather then the game being the only drawing factor which would bring in more of the "casual fan" to the park.

[maurice]

I would think that JR and the Sox would welcome any/all entertainment into the area...this would only help in the attendance for the Sox.

Yeah, that's exactly the argument we've been making all these many years. JR obviously disagrees.

The precise problem isn't that there's nowhere to go. It's that the typical customer who is not familiar with the area can't see anywhere to go when they leave the stadium, because the Sox and the State control all of the land around the park and refuse to develop it. This has been the MO since they elminated McCuddy's, and I don't get it either.
:shrug:

The land on 35th St. that is beyond the reach of the Sox and the State (east of the Dan Ryan and west of Normal) IS being developed, and there always have been good bars / restaurants within a mile of the park . . . but you can't see them if you just go straight from the park to the Ryan or to the Red Line.

[SABRSox]

I am fully against the chains moving in as well. I am anti-chain across the board.

I do not see, however, how anything (bars/restaurants) in the immediate area are of any concern to JR. In fact, I would think that JR and the Sox would welcome any/all entertainment into the area...this would only help in the attendance for the Sox. See, if there was somewhere to go before and after the games, the game itself would become a focal point of an overall event. People would be more likely to come to the park becuase there would be more to do when the game is not going on. Go eat at a restaurant before the game, go to the game and get your obligatory hotdog and drink, go out drinking/eat after the game. makes for a full eventful day rather then the game being the only drawing factor which would bring in more of the "casual fan" to the park.

I think JR would prefer the food/drink purchases take place inside the park, rather than outside in places he does not see revenue from.

Let's just say that if I owned the Sox (and hopefully one day I will :rolleyes:) I'd take that parking lot at 35th and Wentworth and turn that into stores/bars, and buy out the retirement home and church, demolish those and install a state-of-the-art movie theater and a commons area (also changing the scoreboard to be one of those fancy two-way scoreboards that people outside the park could watch). The South Side seriously lacks a good movie theater, and that would get people coming year round to support the stores, restaurants and bars. In the summer, you've got the Sox as the draw.

[maurice]

Sox games attract the Orland family of four arriving 10 minutes before game time and taking the Dodge home immediately after.

And that was JR's intent. When his group took over, they said that they wanted to turn the Sox stadium from "the biggest beer garden in the world" into a middle-class, suburban, family friendly experience. That's why he wanted to build a shopping-mall-looking park in the 'burbs. That's why he surrounded the stadium with parking lots, filed it with suites, and kept out the likes of McCuddy's. That's why he didn't care about being on free TV. That's why he fired an ornery, beer-swilling Harry. That's even why you have a fundamentals deck in LF.

Until the Sox recent winning ways overcame the poor business decisions and the lingering effects of the strike, the results were disasterous.

[JohnBasedowYoda]

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^A fine place to celebrate after a White Sox winner!:rock:

[cheeses_h_rice]

http://cache.vegas.com/nightlife/stripclubs/images/littledarlings.jpg

^A fine place to celebrate after a White Sox winner!:rock:

I presume I can buy my 13 year old niece some nice sparkly earrings there, or perhaps a "scrunchy"?

[JohnBasedowYoda]

I presume I can buy my 13 year old niece some nice sparkly earrings there, or perhaps a "scrunchy"?

She can wait in the car while Uncle Yoda buys his friend Cheeses some lapdances.

[cbotnyse]

The sad thing is he's actually that shortsighted.

The bottom line is we won't see any of the above during his lifetime or term of ownership.You really think we wont? Has JR actually come out and say he is against development around the park?

[Sir Realist]

You really think we wont? Has JR actually come out and say he is against development around the park?


He's all for it. It's the alderman and the residents that are against it.

[BigBadBill]

He's all for it. It's the alderman and the residents that are against it.

Damnit People. That area needs a strip club. If we can't get that, then let's ge one of those Coyote Ugly type bars and have some fun.

[JohnBasedowYoda]

Damnit People. That area needs a strip club. If we can't get that, then let's ge one of those Coyote Ugly type bars and have some fun.

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^A fine place to celebrate after a White Sox winner!:rock:



:sexyparty:

[BigBadBill]

Bless you John. You understand.