Illegal immigrants

[Palehose13]

I don't get the whole "anti-Mexicans coming here" and "let's build a fence " attitude. Assuming that no one here is 100% native American, everyone has immingrated. Most Mexicans I know (some legal, some illegal) ahve come here for a better life (sound familiar) and a lot send money back to their families. Many do jobs that Americans would not for wages we would laugh at, so they really aren't taking away any jobs. How about giving them work visas, have them pay whatever appropraite tax and let them be?

[JohnBasedowYoda]

I just want everyone to speak English.

[1951Campbell]

I don't get the whole "anti-Mexicans coming here" and "let's build a fence " attitude. Assuming that no one here is 100% native American, everyone has immingrated. Most Mexicans I know (some legal, some illegal) ahve come here for a better life (sound familiar) and a lot send money back to their families. Many do jobs that Americans would not for wages we would laugh at, so they really aren't taking away any jobs. How about giving them work visas, have them pay whatever appropraite tax and let them be?

I don't see what the big deal is, although I might feel differently if I lived very close to the border. Or if I was a union member in a trade.

But yeah, for the most part, it means pretty good workers at bargain wages.

[SABRSox]

Oh man, this is a complicated issue.

I'm convinced that a lot of the illegal immigration issue is about racism. But there's also the underlying factor that illegal immigration drives down wages for legal American workers, especially those Americans that earn low wages.

This country has done very poorly in managing its borders, and we're paying the price now, especially in areas like California, where the taxpayers are now taking on the burden of giving the illegals free health care and education. (Both of which I, as a taxpayer, do not have access to.) However, I fully support granting amnesty to the illegals currently here (provided they pay a hefty penalty, learn English, etc.), and more importantly that they make the same wages that legals are entitled to through minimum wages.

I am not in favor of deporting illegals (there's no reason to start tearing families apart, especially when the great majority of illegals are hard working, decent people I would be proud to call fellow Americans) but I am strongly in favor of going after the companies that hire and exploit them.

Despite all of that, I think the whole issue of illegal immigration is overblown. I think more pressing issues are raising minimum wage, revisiting some of this country's terrible trade policies (mainly the outsourcing of American jobs overseas to India and China) and our divisive tax policies that only widen the gap between the haves and the have nots.

[1951Campbell]

Oh man, this is a complicated issue.

I'm convinced that a lot of the illegal immigration issue is about racism. But there's also the underlying factor that illegal immigration drives down wages for legal American workers, especially those Americans that earn low wages.

This country has done very poorly in managing its borders, and we're paying the price now, especially in areas like California, where the taxpayers are now taking on the burden of giving the illegals free health care and education. (Both of which I, as a taxpayer, do not have access to.) However, I fully support granting amnesty to the illegals currently here (provided they pay a hefty penalty, learn English, etc.), and more importantly that they make the same wages that legals are entitled to through minimum wages.

I am not in favor of deporting illegals (there's no reason to start tearing families apart, especially when the great majority of illegals are hard working, decent people I would be proud to call fellow Americans) but I am strongly in favor of going after the companies that hire and exploit them.

Despite all of that, I think the whole issue of illegal immigration is overblown. I think more pressing issues are raising minimum wage, revisiting some of this country's terrible trade policies (mainly the outsourcing of American jobs overseas to India and China) and our divisive tax policies that only widen the gap between the haves and the have nots.

Learn English? And if they don't and can still make a good living, what difference does it make to you?

[SABRSox]

Learn English? And if they don't and can still make a good living, what difference does it make to you?
Generally, a caveat of becoming a citizen of a country is learning its official language. If I want to be a French citizen, I have to learn French. In Italy, I have to learn Italian. Why not have immigrants to this country demonstrate a command of our language?

[samram]

This is a huge issue in the south. One angle that's getting play down here is that controlling the borders is a huge part of the war on terror and by not building that wall, we're letting terrorists who want to kill us all just waltz on in and set up cells. I don't buy that since it seems the people involved in 9/11 and people arrested in terror busts seem to be in the country legally.

I've got no problems with an open border policy, although I prefer that people here illegally not be on the welfare rolls. Americans won't do the jobs illegals are doing for twice what illegals are paid to do it, so why complain about their being here? Their work helps to keep prices down. I don't really care whether they learn to speak English either, although I wonder what kind of problems that can cause in public schools if you eventually have to start providing bilingual or separate education to.

[samram]

Generally, a caveat of becoming a citizen of a country is learning its official language. If I want to be a French citizen, I have to learn French. In Italy, I have to learn Italian. Why not have immigrants to this country demonstrate a command of our language?

Haven't French and Italian been codified as the official language of those countries (I think it's in their constitution)? That's not the case here.

[SABRSox]

That's true, it's only a de facto official language, but you eluded to the problem where many schools are forced to be bilingual.

[Palehose13]

I don't really care whether they learn to speak English either, although I wonder what kind of problems that can cause in public schools if you eventually have to start providing bilingual or separate education to.

I don't care about language either...for the most part, but you do have a point about schools. Being bi-lingual is getting close to becoming a requirement instead of a preference. While I would like to learn conversational Spanish someday, I have other goals before that one.

[3D23]

Here is my problem with some of the arguments.

My family immigrated from Italy, legally. My in-laws immigrated from Ireland, legally. If you want to come here and work, doing jobs no one else wants, build your own American dream, fine, but why can't it be done legally?

In 2006, there were over 1.2 legal immigrants admitted permanent residency in the US. This is up approximately 200,000 from 2004. California holds 20% of these, the rest are fairly scattered equally. There were also 1.189 million border apprehensions between the Canadian and Mexican borders, and granted some are probably duplicates, but they aren't all. My point is, we are legally letting in as many as we are catching and releasing. So, if you open the borders, and there were 1.1 turned away previously, how many do you think the number goes up to? This number is vastly Mexican in population, representing 86% of the total amount.

These illegals are sending over 31 billion back home, but the cost of social services for illegals is a staggering 397 billion since 1996. Of the illegals since 2002, over 21 million have created what we call 'anchor babies'.

I work in social services in the state of Iowa, and our illegal immigrant population hovers at about 50,000. No matter where you go, the illegals are there, and creating a lot of excess costs.

The proposal of amnesty is ludicrous, just the man power alone of trying to figure out when they came, how long they have held a credible job, etc., requires man hours. A fence is not the answer, and I am not sure what is, but my opinion is, just opening the flood gates is asking for trouble.

I am not trying to be a smart ass here, just looking for other thoughts;

If Mexico is so bad, poverty stricken, ruthless government, why is there no revolution, no cou de ta? Of all these people that are fleeing, surely they could create quite a large mutiny and overthrow their government, yes or no?

[Sir Realist]

I think we should build super highways from Mexico into the United States so we can flood the country with Mexican people. This country needs more family orientated peoples with souls.

In order to make more room for 'em, we should put all the soulless money grubbing yuppies in internment camps.

[Prope]

Oh man, this is a complicated issue.

I'm convinced that a lot of the illegal immigration issue is about racism. But there's also the underlying factor that illegal immigration drives down wages for legal American workers, especially those Americans that earn low wages.

As long as the race in question is Hispanic.

I haven't heard many people complain about any Polish, Irish, German, Russian, Japanese, Chinese, or Italians who might have come over here illegally. But if it's brown, it must be sent back down (south).

[Prope]

I am not trying to be a smart ass here, just looking for other thoughts;

If Mexico is so bad, poverty stricken, ruthless government, why is there no revolution, no cou de ta? Of all these people that are fleeing, surely they could create quite a large mutiny and overthrow their government, yes or no?
Because Mexico still has an aristocratic class that keeps taxes low, so the country can not pay for social services.

[JohnBasedowYoda]

Can't we help inprove Mexico so people don't want to leave?

We should make N. America tops.

[Prope]

Can't we help inprove Mexico so people don't want to leave?

We should make N. America tops.
Answer your pm's.

[Prope]

Can't we help inprove Mexico so people don't want to leave?

We should make N. America tops.
And no we can't help improve Mexico, because the moment we do - the same people who want the 'brownies' out of here (but don't have an actual solution) will bitch about that.

[samram]

Because Mexico still has an aristocratic class that keeps taxes low, so the country can not pay for social services.

That's not totally inaccurate, but that class is keeping markets from working by restricting foreign investment. See China and India. Mexican tax rates are around 30%, so it's not like they aren't taxed. Tax collection is a complete joke, however.

[StockdaleforVeep]

Why is it that america should be the place to take other peoples' garbage and problems?

Mexico does have major economic problems but why dont they try and improve their country instead of just running away from it?

Thats what annoys me most when they have these immigrant parades and when they flail their flags about mexican pride, if they are so proud of Mexico, why the hell did they bolt in the first place?

As for jobs, saying "they do the crap jobs" does not count, because its taking jobs away from tax paying citizens and continue the influx of money within the american economy rather than having it sent to mexico.

The prime aspect of this is that its ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, against the law, So if we make all the illegals into legal citizens, is this a one time thing and never again or if some global disaster or other country goes into dire straits and their people emigrate here, will they be allowed in because precedent will be set?

Fucking come to the country, and learn and become a citizen, its been done for how long now, people who dont do it are either apathetic for the country and want to take advantage or are lazy. Fucking earn you're worth

[samram]

Why is it that america should be the place to take other peoples' garbage and problems?

I think there's something on the Statue of Liberty about that.

Mexico does have major economic problems but why dont they try and improve their country instead of just running away from it?

:shrug:

Thats what annoys me most when they have these immigrant parades and when they flail their flags about mexican pride, if they are so proud of Mexico, why the hell did they bolt in the first place?

Yeah, it's a bit odd, but not very important.

As for jobs, saying "they do the crap jobs" does not count, because its taking jobs away from tax paying citizens and continue the influx of money within the american economy rather than having it sent to mexico.

First, Americans don't have a god-given right to any job. Second, please show me the lines of out of work Americans trying to get jobs in agriculture- the labor supply isn't there. I know farmers in NC are having manpower problems this year.

The prime aspect of this is that its ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, against the law, So if we make all the illegals into legal citizens, is this a one time thing and never again or if some global disaster or other country goes into dire straits and their people emigrate here, will they be allowed in because precedent will be set?

Maybe make it not so hard to become a citizen- take away the incentive to sneak in?

Fucking come to the country, and learn and become a citizen, its been done for how long now, people who dont do it are either apathetic for the country and want to take advantage or are lazy. Fucking earn you're worth

You mean by taking a shit job that helps feed people?

[StockdaleforVeep]

I think there's something on the Statue of Liberty about that.
Created by the french and i dont see mexicans coming by the statue, also, im not sure of it was the american idea to put the colossus poem on the statue


Maybe make it not so hard to become a citizen- take away the incentive to sneak in?



You mean by taking a shit job that helps feed people?

So dumb down america by makin it easy for people to come in? Fucking all schools teach US constitution and basic govt, if the kids learn it, adults cant?

Also, immigrants should know the colors of the flag and where the white house is(a sample of two questions on the INS test)

If i wanted to become a Polish citizen or any other citizen of a foreign nation, i would not expect them to change themselves cuz im a lazy fat fuck who likes it easy, i would learn

[Prope]

Thats what annoys me most when they have these immigrant parades and when they flail their flags about mexican pride, if they are so proud of Mexico, why the hell did they bolt in the first place?
Shouldn't the same be said about all of the Irish flags that can be seen around Mt. Greenwood and Beverly???

Matter of fact, many of those people are CITIZENS, that has to be worse right?? An American citizen displaying the flag of Ireland, oh, the humanity.

[StockdaleforVeep]

Shouldn't the same be said about all of the Irish flags that can be seen around Mt. Greenwood and Beverly???

Matter of fact, many of those people are CITIZENS, that has to be worse right?? An American citizen displaying the flag of Ireland, oh, the humanity.

Is there a plague of illegal irish immigrants marching the streets with their flags? My point was they were marching for the delib point of saying they are illegal or support an illegal act and stating they have this infallible pride in a failed nation

[samram]

Created by the french and i dont see mexicans coming by the statue, also, im not sure of it was the american idea to put the colossus poem on the statue



So dumb down america by makin it easy for people to come in? Fucking all schools teach US constitution and basic govt, if the kids learn it, adults cant?

Also, immigrants should know the colors of the flag and where the white house is(a sample of two questions on the INS test)

If i wanted to become a Polish citizen or any other citizen of a foreign nation, i would not expect them to change themselves cuz im a lazy fat fuck who likes it easy, i would learn

There are a lot of citizens who don't know where the White House is- should we do random testing and if they can't pass we deport them back to wherever their ancestors first came from?

And honestly, how much will things change for you? There are 12-15 million illegals here now and I can't say my life is that different.

[Palehose13]

There are a lot of citizens who don't know where the White House is- should we do random testing and if they can't pass we deport them back to wherever their ancestors first came from?

And honestly, how much will things change for you? There are 12-15 million illegals here now and I can't say my life is that different.


True. There sure are a lot of Americans that cannot pass the citizenship test.

[1951Campbell]

Here is my problem with some of the arguments.

My family immigrated from Italy, legally. My in-laws immigrated from Ireland, legally. If you want to come here and work, doing jobs no one else wants, build your own American dream, fine, but why can't it be done legally?

In 2006, there were over 1.2 legal immigrants admitted permanent residency in the US. This is up approximately 200,000 from 2004. California holds 20% of these, the rest are fairly scattered equally. There were also 1.189 million border apprehensions between the Canadian and Mexican borders, and granted some are probably duplicates, but they aren't all. My point is, we are legally letting in as many as we are catching and releasing. So, if you open the borders, and there were 1.1 turned away previously, how many do you think the number goes up to? This number is vastly Mexican in population, representing 86% of the total amount.

These illegals are sending over 31 billion back home, but the cost of social services for illegals is a staggering 397 billion since 1996. Of the illegals since 2002, over 21 million have created what we call 'anchor babies'.

I work in social services in the state of Iowa, and our illegal immigrant population hovers at about 50,000. No matter where you go, the illegals are there, and creating a lot of excess costs.

The proposal of amnesty is ludicrous, just the man power alone of trying to figure out when they came, how long they have held a credible job, etc., requires man hours. A fence is not the answer, and I am not sure what is, but my opinion is, just opening the flood gates is asking for trouble.

I am not trying to be a smart ass here, just looking for other thoughts;

If Mexico is so bad, poverty stricken, ruthless government, why is there no revolution, no cou de ta? Of all these people that are fleeing, surely they could create quite a large mutiny and overthrow their government, yes or no?

I don't know what to think about the costs to society of illegals. They don't pay all their taxes, but they pay some--can't get around paying sales and sin taxes--and they will never be eligible for a whole host of welfare programs available to citizens, which saves money. But then there's schools and medical care. There's so much unreported income looming over this question we may never know the answer.

And I'm not sure amnesty is ludicrous. Wasn't there a big amnesty in 1986? Did the sky fall? Don't think so.

[StockdaleforVeep]

True. There sure are a lot of Americans that cannot pass the citizenship test.

Not sure what the standards are in failing public schools but arent students mandated to take US constitution in 7-8th grade AND pass it or you dont graduate?

and pretty much it is law every child is supposed to be in school untill high school

[Prope]

and pretty much it is law every child is supposed to be in school untill high school
16.

[StockdaleforVeep]

16.

which is high school

[Palehose13]

Not sure what the standards are in failing public schools but arent students mandated to take US constitution in 7-8th grade AND pass it or you dont graduate?

and pretty much it is law every child is supposed to be in school untill high school


I don't know about what goes on in 7th and 8th grade because I teach high school. I do remember taking the constitution test in 7th grade, but I probably got a higher score then than I would now. Rote memorization...blech. In regards to being a graduation requirement, it sure isn't one in high school. YOu do have to pass government and other social study classes, btu from what I heard those classes are much easier than the citizenship test for immigrants.

[Palehose13]

which is high school

If you think that kids wait until 16 to stop going to school, you are sadly mistaken. Sure it is a law, but so are a bunch of others that are ignored by a majority of citizens.

[StockdaleforVeep]

If you think that kids wait until 16 to stop going to school, you are sadly mistaken. Sure it is a law, but so are a bunch of others that are ignored by a majority of citizens.

Right but parents of children who arent in school can get in trouble.

[StockdaleforVeep]

I don't know about what goes on in 7th and 8th grade because I teach high school. I do remember taking the constitution test in 7th grade, but I probably got a higher score then than I would now. Rote memorization...blech. In regards to being a graduation requirement, it sure isn't one in high school. YOu do have to pass government and other social study classes, btu from what I heard those classes are much easier than the citizenship test for immigrants.

I can still recite the preamble

Good ole school house rock

[Prope]

which is high school
You said, 'until high school.' Most 16 year olds are in high school by that time.

[JohnBasedowYoda]

Answer your pm's.

Right back at you, you ignorant bastard

[JohnBasedowYoda]

I say all of us go to Mexico and turn that dump into the next big thing and show them what Manifest Destiny is all about

[StockdaleforVeep]

atom bomb em

[Palehose13]

atom bomb em

Only as long as they promise that Texas will be gone too.

[SABRSox]

We can't be expected to solve all of Mexico's problems, but we can certainly change our trade policies with Mexico to pressure them to solve their own problems.

Of course, that would make a lot of rich white men in this country very angry.

[StockdaleforVeep]

We can't be expected to solve all of Mexico's problems, but we can certainly change our trade policies with Mexico to pressure them to solve their own problems.

Of course, that would make a lot of rich white men in this country very angry.

they have oil, lets take it

[SoxFan76]

Only as long as they promise that Texas will be gone too.

If I had to drop one state, Texas would be the one.

This is a complicated issue, because if you're against it, you're a racist. If you're for it, you're not American. The big word people fail to focus on is ILLEGAL. They are ILLEGAL immigrants, so everyone needs to stop vouching for them.

You may not have a problem with illegal immigrants, but I do. A couple miles north on Farnsworth and you'll understand why. Supermercado's as far as the eye can see. All signs are in Spanish. Go to the BK and nobody speaks English. Run down houses, lawns not mowed, Christmas lights from 1987, etc. When you drive down the street you have to look straight ahead and roll the windows up. And that's not even the bad part of town!

English is not the official language of the United States. Everyone knows this. But it is the language that is spoken in this country! If I go to Japan I'm not going to expect the entire country to learn English because my lazy/stubborn ass won't take the time to learn basic Japanese!

For the flag argument, yes every nationality flaunts their heritage on certain days of the year. However, at least at my school, whenever Cinco De Mayo would roll around they would walk around in their vato get-ups with a Mexican flag draped over them. Mexicans in Mexico don't dress like vatos. Then they would begin to rip American and say how much better Mexico is. Remember, these punks didn't grow up in Mexico. If they did they wouldn't want to move back. On St. Patty's day you don't hear Tommy Sullivan saying "Erin go bragh! And fuck America!"

And now because I have these viewpoints I'm going to be labeled as racist.

[CaptainBallz]

see: NAFTA

re: this conversation

Mexico's current issue w/ the demands of a mobile underclass is being replicated around the globe... It's a byproduct of globalization

[pdimas]

Mexicans suck but man do they have some tasty food. Lazy good for nothing mofo's what making 450 pesos for an 8 hour workday isnt good enough for them. Screw them and their parades! They have some nerve waving American flags! Everyone knows how easy it is to become a citizen in this country and how easy it is to obtain visas to come over here. Damn right atom bomb them...

[SoxFan76]

Mexicans suck but man do they have some tasty food. Lazy good for nothing mofo's what making 450 pesos for an 8 hour workday isnt good enough for them. Screw them and their parades! They have some nerve waving American flags! Everyone knows how easy it is to become a citizen in this country and how easy it is to obtain visas to come over here. Damn right atom bomb them...

Isn't your name Paco....? :)

Where is your family from?

[pdimas]

http://www.fletchwon.net/CC-8d.jpg

Uh, do you guys have anything besides Mexican food?

[pdimas]

Isn't your name Paco....? :)

Where is your family from?

I'm 100% Mexican. But I am not what do you gringos say "Down with the Brown"..

Im j/k. I was just being sarcastic. My mother worked for the government for 32 years and the things I have seen. I just crack up when people start calling mexicans lazy and just see them as leeches. I agree with some of the arguments made by both sides. Its unbelievable when people just start spouting off on crazy ass tangents. For one in the marches Mexicans were actually encouraged to wave American flags and not Mexican ones. I also love how people just assume its so easy to get into this country. This can be a very costly thing and expensive thing and sometimes a lot of it depends on who you know. Most illegals I have met are very simple ppl who come from the poorest areas of the country and come with the idea that they will make some money and then head back to Mexico eventually. I mean can you imagine getting paid less than 5 american dollars for an 8 hour work day?

My parents both came here legally learned the language and are now both American citizens. They agree with me that one should learn the language and not isolate oneself.....blah its too early i dont like thinking this early....

[SoxFan76]

I'm 100% Mexican. But I am not what do you gringos say "Down with the Brown"..

Im j/k. I was just being sarcastic. My mother worked for the government for 32 years and the things I have seen. I just crack up when people start calling mexicans lazy and just see them as leeches. I agree with some of the arguments made by both sides. Its unbelievable when people just start spouting off on crazy ass tangents. For one in the marches Mexicans were actually encouraged to wave American flags and not Mexican ones. I also love how people just assume its so easy to get into this country. This can be a very costly thing and expensive thing and sometimes a lot of it depends on who you know. Most illegals I have met are very simple ppl who come from the poorest areas of the country and come with the idea that they will make some money and then head back to Mexico eventually. I mean can you imagine getting paid less than 5 american dollars for an 8 hour work day?

My parents both came here legally learned the language and are now both American citizens. They agree with me that one should learn the language and not isolate oneself.....blah its too early i dont like thinking this early....

The "lazy Mexican" stereotype is ridiculous. They work just as hard if not harder than anyone. The whole Mexican taking a siesta on the sign of a burrito joint must be offending to Mexicans.

[pdimas]

I really dont mind good arguments on the subject. Well informed ones are great but I hate when ppl start spouting off crap that makes you come off like an ignorant racist bastard. If one can argue well enough that doesn't happen. But when you generalize and start spouting off ludicrous accusations you come off sounding like a ..........minuteman :)

[pdimas]

Yeah, but it's also hilarious.

I'm Irish and I can not only handle but embrace this: http://www.d.umn.edu/cla/faculty/troufs/anth4616/images/FightingIrish.jpg

Yeah they dont bother me so much either. I was secretly a big fan of speedy gonzalez's cousin...Slowpoke Rodriguez...

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g22/nocoolstories/slowpoke0004.jpg

Slowpoke Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slowpoke_Rodriguez)

[Sir Realist]

Slowpoke rules! :rock:

I love this pic. :)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b2/Slowpoke.gif/200px-Slowpoke.gif

[pdimas]

Apparently he sang a song about getting stoned in of the cartoons he appeared in...

[Prope]

Right back at you, you ignorant bastard
I sent you one with an item that I liked, and had a question about it.

[gbergman]

Move to Southern California, Arizona, New Mexico or Texas and then start this thread.

[SoxFan76]

Good point on the fighting Irish, CB. For those who know my real name, it doesn't get anymore Irish. I don't take offense to the fighting Irish either. In fact, that reminds me of a joke.

What do you call a Kerryman on a bicycle?

A dope peddler.

credit: http://www.abitoblarney.com/irishjokes.htm

:confused: I guess you had to be there.


Slowpoke Rodriguez, that is hilarious. I totally forgot about him. Then there were the Japanese and German cartoons during the war. Dr. Suess did a lot of the comics.

[Sir Realist]

Apparently he sang a song about getting stoned in of the cartoons he appeared in...

One YouTube search comin' up! :)

[Sir Realist]

One YouTube search comin' up! :)

Presto!
hm-EemHYwZQ

[StockdaleforVeep]

The "lazy Mexican" stereotype is ridiculous. They work just as hard if not harder than anyone. The whole Mexican taking a siesta on the sign of a burrito joint must be offending to Mexicans.

what stereotype of an ethnicity is NOT rediculous?

[SoxFan76]

what stereotype of an ethnicity is NOT rediculous?

Irish. Most irish males between the ages of 21-40 or so love to drink and love to fight and seem to be drunk the majority of the time.

Blacks between the ages of 16-25 or so. They like to start shit and talk shit and are hard to understand. And they wear clothes that are 3 sizes too big.

Stereotypes don't come out of thin air. Usually there is SOME sort of truth behind them, that's why the Mexican one is so ridiculous. I've never seen a Mexican sitting next to a building at 3 in the afternoon wearing a sombrero over his head with a huge mustache. I HAVE seen a lot of big boozin Irishmen who love to fight and I have seen black guys wearing 4XL shirts walking down the street like they got a stick up their ass trying to start trouble.

[StockdaleforVeep]

Irish. Most irish males between the ages of 21-40 or so love to drink and love to fight and seem to be drunk the majority of the time.

Blacks between the ages of 16-25 or so. They like to start shit and talk shit and are hard to understand. And they wear clothes that are 3 sizes too big.

Stereotypes don't come out of thin air. Usually there is SOME sort of truth behind them, that's why the Mexican one is so ridiculous. I've never seen a Mexican sitting next to a building at 3 in the afternoon wearing a sombrero over his head with a huge mustache. I HAVE seen a lot of big boozin Irishmen who love to fight and I have seen black guys wearing 4XL shirts walking down the street like they got a stick up their ass trying to start trouble.

Most of the mexican stereotypes are based in mexico, since i never lived in mexico, nor visited, i dont know how people in the rural areas live there

[Palehose13]

You may not have a problem with illegal immigrants, but I do. A couple miles north on Farnsworth and you'll understand why. Supermercado's as far as the eye can see. All signs are in Spanish. Go to the BK and nobody speaks English. Run down houses, lawns not mowed, Christmas lights from 1987, etc. When you drive down the street you have to look straight ahead and roll the windows up. And that's not even the bad part of town!


Actually, I live in a "mixed" neighborhood. Both of my next door neighbors are Mexican. I live on 16th Street, if you go up not even a mile it turns into Cessar Chavez Drive. I have supermercados within walking distance to my house and the neighborhood Wal-Mart has magazines in English and Spanish. So, I am pretty "in the mix" with Hispanics.

I also love how people just assume its so easy to get into this country. This can be a very costly thing and expensive thing and sometimes a lot of it depends on who you know. Most illegals I have met are very simple ppl who come from the poorest areas of the country and come with the idea that they will make some money and then head back to Mexico eventually. I mean can you imagine getting paid less than 5 american dollars for an 8 hour work day?

This was my original point. Most illegals that I have talked to just want to make money and then go back to Mexico. Why not give them legal work visas?

Move to Southern California, Arizona, New Mexico or Texas and then start this thread.

Well, I do have friends that live in Southern California adn Arizona and share the same views as I do. And I don't know what it is with Milwaukee, but this city has a ton of immigrants (and not just Mexican. We have a lot of Serbian and Hmong immigrants too) and as I wrote a littel while back, I have contact with Mexican immigrants on a daily basis.

So, why do I need to move in order to have a valid opinion on the subject???

[Palehose13]

Yeah but go to Mexico at 3 o'clock and you'll find half the country sleeping (siesta time) and plenty of sombreros.

I'm so tired mang.

I'm sure you know this, but a lot of countries with intense daytime heat have a tradition of taking a siesta in the afternoon, but continue to work in the evening when it is cooler.

[SABRSox]

Don't listen to gbergman. He fails to realize that Chicago has probably the second largest population of Illegal Immigrants next to Los Angeles.

[1951Campbell]

Move to Southern California, Arizona, New Mexico or Texas and then start this thread.

Californians, Arizonans, and Texans seem waaaaaaaay more worked up about immigration than New Mexicans. Nobody really gave a shit when I lived in Santa Fe.

[soxwon]

Californians, Arizonans, and Texans seem waaaaaaaay more worked up about immigration than New Mexicans. Nobody really gave a shit when I lived in Santa Fe.

Thats cause all New Mexicans are Aliens, You know Rosewell had a huge Effect!!!

Yeah but go to Mexico at 3 o'clock and you'll find half the country sleeping (siesta time) and plenty of sombreros.

I'm so tired mang.

Whats Mexico doing right? Why dont the terrorists target
Mexico city?

[StockdaleforVeep]

tLPuGuaZTx8

[Prope]

Geraldo pwned O'Reilly

O'Reilly is a fag.

[Prope]

O'Reilly is still a fag.

[ewokpelts]

he-raldo kicked that fag's ass.

[Prope]

That was already covered in post #74. Try to keep up gene.

[ewokpelts]

That was already covered in post #74. Try to keep up gene.fuck you asshole. lick my legal white pasty ass!

[Pick a name, Buddy]

Anyone ever been to Baja? It is a total pit. That will be what LA looks like in 20 years. Hillsides strewn with rubbish, shacks, graffiti and abandoned buicks