View Full Version : Is Lebron overrated?
Timberwolf
05-22-2007, 03:39 PM
That was very odd and dissapointing to see Lebron give the ball to Doynell Marshall of all people last night in Game 1 of the Eastern Conference Finals.
It seems Lebron has the same disease that Vince Carter has, which is being scared to fail. You see this time after time with both players. They don't have that killer instinct where they can seize and embrace the opportunity. Until Lebron has that, he will just be an ordinary player who puts in those pretty stats.
He is still young, but here's hoping he gets it done sooner than later.
Prope
05-22-2007, 03:48 PM
I have to imagine that the things being said about Lebron being overrated might have been said about Jordan from 1987-1990. It took another of the NBA's 50 Greatest Players to help Jordan out, and I'm not saying that is what Lebron needs (nor that putting a similar player in the mold of Pippen wouldn't have done the same thing for Jordan). It took Jordan some time, much like it will for Lebron.
The Vince Carter comparison is weak at best. Carter has never been said to have the same tools that Lebron does top to bottom. The Kobe comparison also doesn't work because Lebron (and Jordan for that matter) does not have the dominating man in the middle that Kobe had.
fquaye14ten
05-22-2007, 04:02 PM
That was very odd and dissapointing to see Lebron give the ball to Doynell Marshall of all people last night in Game 1 of the Eastern Conference Finals.
It seems Lebron has the same disease that Vince Carter has, which is being scared to fail. You see this time after time with both players. They don't have that killer instinct where they can seize and embrace the opportunity. Until Lebron has that, he will just be an ordinary player who puts in those pretty stats.
He is still young, but here's hoping he gets it done sooner than later.
to a wide open donyell marshall?
for christ's sake, if he would have taken the shot himself and missed, people would be all over him for being too selfish to pass to a wide open marshall
Timberwolf
05-22-2007, 04:09 PM
for christ's sake, if he would have taken the shot himself and missed, people would be all over him for being too selfish to pass to a wide open marshall
I wouldn't have criticized him for missing it. At least, he is taking a chance and trying to make things happen. That's all anyone can ask for.
There are always going to be critics out there, but if you make things happen yet it does not work out, that's all anyone can ask out of them.
In these types of moments with the game on the line, your best player should be the one with the ball that makes the shot.
I have hard time believing Dwayne Wade, Jason Kidd, Kobe, or Tim Duncan would pass that opportunity.
fquaye14ten
05-22-2007, 04:14 PM
Kobe would pass because he takes every fucking shot for his shitty team.
The other guys may or may not have passed given the situation.
Marshall was WIDE OPEN. Any time you can have a guy take a wide open three for the game, you take it. Sorry, I refuse to criticize Lebron for passing the ball.
Timberwolf
05-22-2007, 04:18 PM
If you have confidence that you can make the shot, why would you pass the ball. I have no problem with Kobe did because I know I can trust him and most importantly, he knows that he can get it done. That's what I love to see.
fquaye14ten
05-22-2007, 04:24 PM
:shrug:....either way.
it seems to me, listening to the analyses, only the skip baylesses and jay mariotti's of the world are painting this pass as a bad thing in lebron's career...so i feel pretty secure in my opinion
erstadsteals23
05-22-2007, 06:01 PM
I didnt watch the game, I dont know if any of you guys did. But if you did, who was guarding Lebron?
LeBron did exactly what he was supposed to do, drive, draw the double/triple team, then kick it out to their wide open 3 point shooter. Marshall was something like 7 for his last 10 threes as well. I hate him, but passing it was the right decision.
samram
05-22-2007, 07:04 PM
LeBron did exactly what he was supposed to do, drive, draw the double/triple team, then kick it out to their wide open 3 point shooter. Marshall was something like 7 for his last 10 threes as well. I hate him, but passing it was the right decision.
Exactly right. It was a no-brainer. Donyell Marshall has no other basketball skill at this point than to hit that shot from that spot.
And Shecky, do you remember Steve Kerr hitting a shot off a dish from Jordan in game 6 of the NBA finals to win a championship? Were you questioning Jordan's instincts when he did that? How about when he deferred to John Paxson down the stretch in game 5 of the 1991 finals? How about that time Bill Wennington hit a series winner against the Knicks off a dish from Jordan? How about all the times Robert Horry hit game winners on teams with Hakeem, Clyde, Kobe, and Shaq? I guess they're all lacking killer instinct.
Prope
05-22-2007, 09:25 PM
Kobe would pass because he takes every fucking shot for his shitty team.
The other guys may or may not have passed given the situation.
Marshall was WIDE OPEN. Any time you can have a guy take a wide open three for the game, you take it. Sorry, I refuse to criticize Lebron for passing the ball.
Plus, they were on the road. A two from Lebron isn't going to do it in Game 1 in Detroit. He made the right move.
Prope
05-22-2007, 09:26 PM
I didnt watch the game, I dont know if any of you guys did. But if you did, who was guarding Lebron?
I didn't watch the game either, but judging from highlights, it appears that it was Prince.
The moral? Pass it to a white guy next time.
:racist:
but true
samram
05-23-2007, 08:19 AM
The moral? Pass it to a white guy next time.
Clutchest team ever:
http://www.rison-dallas.com/images/1927_28dallas_y_basketball.jpg
Their shots barely touched the weavings of the ol' peach basket as they knocked off the Darkies 10-6.
10,000mileWhiteSox
05-31-2007, 03:26 AM
:racist:
but true
Agreed. And Robert Horry acts kinda white, so there you go. :rock:
:rimshot:
Doug Simpson
05-31-2007, 03:31 AM
Clutchest team ever:
http://www.rison-dallas.com/images/1927_28dallas_y_basketball.jpg
Their shots barely touched the weavings of the ol' peach basket as they knocked off the Darkies 10-6.
Clutching each other. Look how they are lovingly grasping the hips of the team-mate in front of them. :eek:
SoxFan76
05-31-2007, 07:43 AM
What Google search came up with that?! :omg:
Doug Simpson
05-31-2007, 07:56 AM
Clutchest team ever:
http://www.rison-dallas.com/images/1927_28dallas_y_basketball.jpg
Their shots barely touched the weavings of the ol' peach basket as they knocked off the Darkies 10-6.
5th guy from the left looks like he may have had human heads in his basement. :omg:
SoxFan76
05-31-2007, 08:06 AM
It's my goal now to wear an outfit like that and go to like Rogers Park or something and join a pickup game with a bunch of black guys.
Make a new movie. Old tymee basketball.
Pass me the sphere you blundering ragamuffin! Place it in the peach basket. Take it to the woven basket you blithering polywanker!
samram
05-31-2007, 05:03 PM
What Google search came up with that?! :omg:
I think it was "1940s basketball" or something like that. I was looking for some white guys just passing the ball around like you see in film, but that one, with the hip clutching and all, was too good to not post.
Sir Realist
05-31-2007, 05:18 PM
Basketball is overrated. It's hockey for people with slow minds.
Doug Simpson
05-31-2007, 07:27 PM
Basketball is overrated. It's hockey for people with slow minds.
:rolleyes:
Timberwolf
05-31-2007, 10:15 PM
Lebron proved me wrong tonight.
It's about time he delivered.
It was Morneauesque.
SoxFan76
05-31-2007, 10:19 PM
Basketball is overrated. It's hockey for people with slow minds.
Do you hate everything?
10,000mileWhiteSox
06-01-2007, 01:34 AM
Is a guy overrated if he scores 48 pts including 29 of his teams 30 pts to lead his team to a game 5 victory in 2OT?
I think not! But Dwayne Wade on the other hand is.
samram
06-01-2007, 07:04 AM
I think both Wade and Lebron are properly rated. Except by those who underrate or overrate them.
Doug Simpson
06-01-2007, 07:08 AM
I agree. He had one good game, therefore he can't possibly be overrated.
Please give your deffinition of a good game.
fquaye14ten
06-01-2007, 10:49 AM
Lebron proved me wrong tonight.
It's about time he delivered.
It was Morneauesque.
are you kidding me? the only thing last night did is highlight how absolutely shitty the rest of the cavaliers are.
the cavs=lebron. everything they accomplished this year has been lebron putting a team on his shoulders. if he had a scotty pippen, he would win at least 4 championships running away. he's no jordan yet--the airball and the foul at the end of 1 OT showed that, but he's at the development point of 87 jordan (actually 84 jordan when you consider he's straight out of high school)
the cavs could very well win the championship this year (and will almost certainly make it) and that will be all him.
It's about time he delivered? are you fucking kidding me?
this is asinine. as if lebron had anything left to prove besides a championship...but if he DID he did it last night
Prope
06-02-2007, 08:48 AM
Is a guy overrated if he scores 48 pts including 29 of his teams 30 pts to lead his team to a game 5 victory in 2OT?
I think not! But Dwayne Wade on the other hand is.
How is Dwayne Wade overrated? Except for the odd spelling of his name?
Prope
06-02-2007, 08:50 AM
are you kidding me? the only thing last night did is highlight how absolutely shitty the rest of the cavaliers are.
the cavs=lebron. everything they accomplished this year has been lebron putting a team on his shoulders. if he had a scotty pippen, he would win at least 4 championships running away. he's no jordan yet--the airball and the foul at the end of 1 OT showed that, but he's at the development point of 87 jordan (actually 84 jordan when you consider he's straight out of high school)
the cavs could very well win the championship this year (and will almost certainly make it) and that will be all him.
It's about time he delivered? are you fucking kidding me?
this is asinine. as if lebron had anything left to prove besides a championship...but if he DID he did it last night
Pretty much agree with everything there. 1987 Jordan scored 37 ppg, but I see why you would make that comparison.
Lebron is going to be good for a very long time, and if they actually get a post player, watch out.
10,000mileWhiteSox
06-03-2007, 09:49 AM
How is Dwayne Wade overrated? Except for the odd spelling of his name?
He needed Shaq to win, he really only brings one thing to the table and that scoring. He's a very good player, but he's not as great as everyone makes him out to be because Dallas collapsed after Game 3. If you don't believe me, see 2007 1st RD Heat vs. Bulls for details.
jlew24asu
06-03-2007, 09:56 AM
the guy is amazing.
Prope
06-03-2007, 03:27 PM
He needed Shaq to win, he really only brings one thing to the table and that scoring. He's a very good player, but he's not as great as everyone makes him out to be because Dallas collapsed after Game 3. If you don't believe me, see 2007 1st RD Heat vs. Bulls for details.
Did you happen to see that sleeve on his arm??? That is what you have to wear when your shoulder is hurting you and you are not 100%
Also, this year he averaged 7.5 assists per game, and 2.1 steals per game. That seems like an awful lot more than just scoring.
Also, he was All-Defensive 2nd team in 2004-05.
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