Rating your politics

[chisoxtony]

Just curious..if you had to rate your politics on a scale of 1 to 100..what would you rate yourself? (and why?)...

A 1 would be an ultra-liberal..

20 would be liberal

40 would be pretty liberal..with a few conservative tendancies..

50 would be both liberal, moderate and conservative tendancies..

60 would be generally conservative..with a few liberal qualities

80 very conservative

100 ultra conservative..

I think I would give myself a 42..I'm pretty open minded on issues such as affirmative action, woman's rights, human rights, etc...but also semi-conservative with things such as crime and punishment (pro death penalty, etc)...

Honestly..how would you rate yourselves?

[maurice]

The problem with a 1-100 scale is that the terms "conservative" and "liberal" don't mean what they used to mean. There is a movement claiming that Neo-cons are "conservatives" and that anybody who disagrees with Neo-cons is a "liberal."

I am fiscally conservative (low taxes, low government spending) but socially liberal (I want the government to leave people alone). In other words, I want a small federal government. This used to = "conservative," but apparently not anymore.

[StockdaleforVeep]

65-75

[Bonzosa]

40-50
I too want smaller government (government is astoundingly inefficient), including the privatization of the post office.
I want all men and women to be treated equal as deemed in the constitution, that means same-sex partners rights, equal pay for women (currently 77%), and equal educational opportunity which means equal funding for all schools on a cost of living basis.

I want guns to be harder to access and background checks not to be a joke.
I want nationalized ID cards.
I want amnesty for current illegal immigrants and then enforce illegal immigration by putting the onus on employers to screen employees.
I want agricultural subsidies to burn in hell.
I want restorative justice to be implemented for all juvenile crimes.

I believe I can fly.................. I believe I can touch the sky!

[Prope]

37-45
* I like smaller government
* I think you should wait 10 days before you can get a gun - including hunting rifles. I think you should not be able to buy a gun over the internet.
* I believe abortion is a womans right to choose, but it is not birth control.
* I believe that a country that has a 50% divorce rate should not be concerned with gay marriage. I also think gay domestic partners should have visitation rights, as well as rights to partner's estates.
* I believe in term limits for congressmen/senators
* I believe in an independent judiciary
* I believe all persons under the age of 18 should have universal health care. I also, however, believe there should be a cap on malpractice lawsuits.
* I believe in the progressive tax.
* I believe more money should be spent on affordable, alternative energy.
* I do not believe in corporate bailouts.

There's more, but that should suffice.

[1951Campbell]

I want restorative justice to be implemented for all juvenile crimes.



Meaning...what?

I ask because my boss is a juvenile public defender.

[StockdaleforVeep]

Im against affirmative action
anti gun control\pro gun training
against embryonic stem cell research
against abortion(only cases of rape\incest\endangerment of mother)
Against federal laws dealing with gay marriage and want it to be up to the states
pro death penalty
pro increase on funding for military
making cities wifi and free
against raising taxes on the rich

[Bonzosa]

Basically it involves the offender and the victim to find an appropriate punishment. Some forms of restorative justice include the offender's family, victim's family and police officers to tell the offender how their actions have affected all these other people.
This process increases satisfaction of the victims, increases victim's participation in the outcome and strives to show the offender that they are part of a community, which they have harmed. This helps eliminate isolation of the victim and decrease future illegal acts. Also reduces prison costs etc.
The city of Vancouver Washington uses a form of Restorative Justice for juveniles.
If they become repeat offenders then they go directly to the court system I think.
Got the following passage here (http://www.restorativejustice.org/intro/tutorial/processes/vom)
Victim Offender Mediation (VOM)
A basic case management process in North America and in Europe typically involves four phases: case referral and intake, preparation for mediation, the mediation itself and any follow up necessary (e.g., enforcement of restitution agreement) (Umbreit, 1996 at 2). Often, a case is referred to VOM after a conviction or formal admission of guilt in court; but, some cases are diverted prior to such a disposition in an attempt to avoid prosecution.

The mediator then contacts the victim and offender to make sure that both are appropriate for mediation. In particular, the mediator seeks assurances that both are psychologically capable of making the mediation a constructive experience, that the victim will not be further harmed by the meeting with the offender, and that both understand that participation is voluntary (Chupp, 1989 at 58-61).

The parties then meet to identify the injustice, rectify the harm (to make things right or restore equity), and to establish payment/monitoring schedules (Van Ness and Strong, 1997 at 71). Both parties present their version of the events leading up to and the circumstances surrounding the crime (Umbreit, 1996 at 6). The victim has a chance to speak about the personal dimensions of victimization and loss, while the offender has a chance to express remorse and to explain circumstances surrounding his/her behaviour (Chupp, 1989 at 60-61). Then the parties agree on the particular nature and extent of the harm caused by the crime in order to identify the acts necessary to repair the injury to the victim. The terms of the agreed reparation (e.g., restitution, in-kind services, etc.) are reduced to writing (Van Ness and Strong, 1997 at 71), along with payment and monitoring schedules.

Evaluation

Studies have concluded that these programmes have high client satisfaction rates, victim participation rates, restitution completion rates, and result in reduced fear among victims and reduced criminal behaviour by offenders

[chisoxtony]

Im against affirmative action
anti gun control\pro gun training
against embryonic stem cell research
against abortion(only cases of rape\incest\endangerment of mother)
Against federal laws dealing with gay marriage and want it to be up to the states
pro death penalty
pro increase on funding for military
making cities wifi and free
against raising taxes on the rich

I agree with some of these..but I don't understand against stem cell research....I think science should be free to do what they need to do to help people who are terminally and chronically ill (particularly children)..

[StockdaleforVeep]

I agree with some of these..but I don't understand against stem cell research....I think science should be free to do what they need to do to help people who are terminally and chronically ill (particularly children)..

Yes but research can be done thru placenta stem cells and adult stem cells. It is my belief that embryonic stem cell will lead to mass baby "murder" to "advance science"

[maurice]

Embryonic stem cell research = murder.
However . . .
Abortion following rape =/= murder?
Abortion following incest =/= murder?
Freezing extra embyos for IVF until they're not viable
and then trashing them =/= murder?

- - -

For the record, my position is that none of these is murder.

[StockdaleforVeep]

Embryonic stem cell research = murder.
However . . .
Abortion following rape =/= murder?
Abortion following incest =/= murder?
Freezing extra embyos for IVF until they're not viable
and then trashing them =/= murder?

- - -

For the record, my position is that none of these is murder.

For clarity(also surprised u didnt bring up death penalty=murder)

If embryonic stem cell research was ok'd, where would all these embryos come from? Are people just gonna get preggers so they can abort and harvest? You are denying the chance for a living organism to develop. How far will be then be from just cloning people and having a fantasy movie like "the island" become a reality?

As for the abortion methods i mentioned, rape and incest,deformities are a different issue. Incest\deformity may cause quality of life to be zero for the child and further complicate the future gene pool that the person interacts\breeds with. Rape is self explanitory

[CaptainBallz]

Incest\deformity may cause quality of life to be zero for the child and further complicate the future gene pool that the person interacts\breeds with.

As would your offspring.

[StockdaleforVeep]

As would your offspring.

I do have failed genes, i will say that, alot of problems being a polender from the mountains

[gbergman]

democratic issues I agree on are the enviorment and taxing the wealthy more.
otherwise I am republican

[Bonzosa]

democratic issues I agree on are the enviorment and taxing the wealthy more.
otherwise I am republican

That there should be an environment?
Or that there is one just beyond Carbondale?

I think we should tax chisoxtony more also.:thumbsup:

[maurice]

surprised u didnt bring up death penalty=murder

Nah, too easy to counter.

If embryonic stem cell research was ok'd, where would all these embryos come from?

As I mentioned, they're already stored in freezers in IVF clinics. Most of them never will be implanted. In other words, you can ban the creation of embryos for stem cell research without banning the research. But then why not just ban IVF?

Are people just gonna get preggers so they can abort and harvest?

No, IVF clinics harvest eggs and then stir in some sperm. The embryos are grown outside of the womb.

How far will be then be from just cloning people and having a fantasy movie like "the island" become a reality?

Gotta get past that "artificial womb" engineering problem first.

As for the abortion methods i mentioned, rape and incest,deformities are a different issue.

Why? Use of the term "murder" implies that the embryo / fetus is fully human (which is why I don't use it). We don't murder a 1-year-old because her biological daddy is a rapist or mommy's biological relative. We don't round up all the deformed kids and kill them.

[fquaye14ten]

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=1558491&postcount=11

Now before you guys all jump my ass, please understand where I am coming from. You have never had the delightful experience of having a strange man you have never met say, "Nice to meet you" while staring directly at your chest. We really don't consider that a compliment, okay?

[1951Campbell]

Basically it involves the offender and the victim to find an appropriate punishment. Some forms of restorative justice include the offender's family, victim's family and police officers to tell the offender how their actions have affected all these other people.
This process increases satisfaction of the victims, increases victim's participation in the outcome and strives to show the offender that they are part of a community, which they have harmed. This helps eliminate isolation of the victim and decrease future illegal acts. Also reduces prison costs etc.
The city of Vancouver Washington uses a form of Restorative Justice for juveniles.
If they become repeat offenders then they go directly to the court system I think.
Got the following passage here (http://www.restorativejustice.org/intro/tutorial/processes/vom)
Victim Offender Mediation (VOM)
A basic case management process in North America and in Europe typically involves four phases: case referral and intake, preparation for mediation, the mediation itself and any follow up necessary (e.g., enforcement of restitution agreement) (Umbreit, 1996 at 2). Often, a case is referred to VOM after a conviction or formal admission of guilt in court; but, some cases are diverted prior to such a disposition in an attempt to avoid prosecution.

The mediator then contacts the victim and offender to make sure that both are appropriate for mediation. In particular, the mediator seeks assurances that both are psychologically capable of making the mediation a constructive experience, that the victim will not be further harmed by the meeting with the offender, and that both understand that participation is voluntary (Chupp, 1989 at 58-61).

The parties then meet to identify the injustice, rectify the harm (to make things right or restore equity), and to establish payment/monitoring schedules (Van Ness and Strong, 1997 at 71). Both parties present their version of the events leading up to and the circumstances surrounding the crime (Umbreit, 1996 at 6). The victim has a chance to speak about the personal dimensions of victimization and loss, while the offender has a chance to express remorse and to explain circumstances surrounding his/her behaviour (Chupp, 1989 at 60-61). Then the parties agree on the particular nature and extent of the harm caused by the crime in order to identify the acts necessary to repair the injury to the victim. The terms of the agreed reparation (e.g., restitution, in-kind services, etc.) are reduced to writing (Van Ness and Strong, 1997 at 71), along with payment and monitoring schedules.

Evaluation

Studies have concluded that these programmes have high client satisfaction rates, victim participation rates, restitution completion rates, and result in reduced fear among victims and reduced criminal behaviour by offenders

Interesting. I think this sort of thing goes on in our county, albeit on an informal level.

[soxwon]

easily 80 all the way
but not over the top 100

[Bonzosa]

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=1558491&postcount=11

I think you are lost and looking for the thread about G-reg started by Unreg.

Get away fah-q-uaye

[fquaye14ten]

:)

[CaptainBallz]

I don't believe in magic,
I don't believe in I-ching,
I don't believe in bible,
I don't believe in tarot,
I don't believe in Hitler,
I don't believe in Jesus,
I don't believe in Kennedy,
I don't believe in Buddha,
I don't believe in mantra,
I don't believe in Gita,
I don't believe in yoga,
I don't believe in kings,
I don't believe in Elvis,
I don't believe in Zimmerman,
I don't believe in Beatles,
I just believe in me,
And A1...

[fquaye14ten]

i believe in captainballz having ballz in his screen name

[Bonzosa]

I have begun rating your politics fah-q-uaye, it does not look good...
:fart:

[fquaye14ten]

you don't know shit about my politics, so don't even try

[CaptainBallz]

you don't know shit about my politics, so don't even try

Are you saying we can't see this?

[Bonzosa]

you don't know shit about my politics, so don't even try

You must be in a good mood, pillow-biter was not tossed my direction.

I must say, this isolationism does not fare well for your political rating
:fart:

[CaptainBallz]

I must say, this isolationism does not fare well for your political rating
:fart:

I give myself a rating of infinity +1 for being above petty political labels...

I ride the snake every other Sunday

[Myrtle]

I give myself a rating of infinity +1 for being above petty political labels...

I ride the snake every other Sunday

Being above political labels?

http://www.soxandthecity.net/forums/showpost.php?p=34085&postcount=3

:whistle:

It's hard to say that you don't fit into one particular category...

[Bonzosa]

Myrtle,
How long is a day 878 miles from the cell?
Just wonderin'...

[Myrtle]

Myrtle,
How long is a day 878 miles from the cell?
Just wonderin'...

It's a day in Norfolk, Virginia.

So, bout the same as yours. :thumbsup:

[fquaye14ten]

You must be in a good mood, pillow-biter was not tossed my direction.

I must say, this isolationism does not fare well for your political rating
:fart:

i'll put my dick in your ear and fuck what you heard


pillowbiter
















gene

[Bonzosa]

Is this the same person who just showed Unreg the rules of engagement?
http://eloradanan.castpost.com/Alanis%20Morissette%20-%20Ironic.mpg.jpg
A little too ironic, yeah I really do think...

[fquaye14ten]

They say you have your entire life to write your first album - after that, the clock starts ticking real fast. (Just ask Maroon 5 where their follow-up is...)

[CaptainBallz]

Being above political labels?

http://www.soxandthecity.net/forums/showpost.php?p=34085&postcount=3

:whistle:

It's hard to say that you don't fit into one particular category...

That chart is only feebly attempting to categorize me, but can't it chart the possibilty that I go so far left that I break on through... to the other side.. if you will.. only to come back around again...

I'm transcending space and time, yo...

[fquaye14ten]

I think Brandon Flowers is still looking for his singer's identity as his voice seemingly changes styles throughout the album.

[Myrtle]

That chart is only feebly attempting to categorize me, but can't chart the possibilty that I go so far left that I break on through... to the other side.. if you will.. only to come back around again...

I'm transcending space and time, yo...

Uh...

I think you're crazy. :)

So here:

http://www.solomonscookies.com/gfx/catalog/cookies/black_label/bl_chocolate_chip.jpg