Favorite Serial Killer

[Palehose13]

I'm a bit of a forensics freak and crime buff. Serial killers really interest me and make me want to know why and what drove them to it. Anyone else have an interest in these people and if so, who is your favorite one?

[Palehose13]

http://www.mayhem.net/Crime/murder1.html

The school has blocked that site, so I can't read the details. It sounds more like a mass murder rather than a serial killer. So, is he a relative?

[Palehose13]

Pretty crappy serial killer, and probably not one by definition, but he's on the page.

I will check it out when I get home.

I find Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer the two most fascinating. John Wayne Gacy was damn interesting too.

[fquaye14ten]

zodiac killer.

nightstalker was pretty terrifying though

[Palehose13]

zodiac killer.

nightstalker was pretty terrifying though

I like the letters and the code, but I didn't like his method of killing. I thought a gun was pretty weak. Now if he made it into a blood bath he would be my #1.

[fquaye14ten]

I like the letters and the code, but I didn't like his method of killing. I thought a gun was pretty weak. Now if he made it into a blood bath he would be my #1.

how about that he never got caught

and how about how he was the inspiration for the dude in dirty harry?:D

[Palehose13]

how about that he never got caught

and how about how he was the inspiration for the dude in dirty harry?:D

I do like that he never got caught, but then you can't study him like a lab rat. :(

[fquaye14ten]

but we are totally overlooking this guy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Ram%C3%ADrez

this motherfucker is flat out terrifying

[Palehose13]

but we are totally overlooking this guy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Ram%C3%ADrez

this motherfucker is flat out terrifying

Wow.

By the time of the trial, Ramirez had many female (and male) fans who were writing him letters and paying him visits. Since 1985, freelance magazine editor Doreen Lioy wrote him nearly 75 letters during his incarceration. In 1988 he proposed to her, and on October 3, 1996, they were married in California's San Quentin State Prison. Lioy has stated that she will commit suicide when Ramirez is executed.

:omg:

*edit: I guess no one else likes serial killers. I suppose I really am a sick fuck.

[fquaye14ten]

Wow.



:omg:

*edit: I guess no one else likes serial killers. I suppose I really am a sick fuck.

that article didn't even get into his whole satanism thing. which makes him all the more terifying

[Palehose13]

that article didn't even get into his whole satanism thing. which makes him all the more terifying

I shall do some research. Thanks for the new find! :cool:

[Efilnikufesin]

George Bush 3000 Americans on 9/11
More than that in Iraq...

OO and we blame it on someone else..

brillant.

[fquaye14ten]

George Bush 3000 Americans on 9/11
More than that in Iraq...

OO and we blame it on someone else..

brillant.

:mg:

[Palehose13]

George Bush 3000 Americans on 9/11
More than that in Iraq...

OO and we blame it on someone else..

brillant.

Look, I don't think very highly of George W. Bush. In fact, I find it hard to find a positive quality about the fucker, but that is just plain ridiculous.

[Efilnikufesin]

Look, I don't think very highly of George W. Bush. In fact, I find it hard to find a positive quality about the fucker, but that is just plain ridiculous.

What is ridculous is that a traioir still sits in our office.. WE the People.

[Palehose13]

What is ridculous is that a traioir still sits in our office.. WE the People.

:tinfoil:

[Efilnikufesin]

:tinfoil:

You must be one of them CT nuts huh?

[Palehose13]

You must be one of them CT nuts huh?

I was thinking that you were a CT nut for blaming 9/11 on G-dub. But to answer your question, no I am not a conspiracy theory nut.

[Efilnikufesin]

I was thinking that you were a CT nut for blaming 9/11 on G-dub. But to answer your question, no I am not a conspiracy theory nut.

Huh? CT are the ones the believe 10 terrorists with box cutter managed to take over 4 planes.. and crash them with 100+ people on each plane.. And just so happen helped us land in Iraq.. NOOOOOO Bush Admin had nothign to do with it.. :rolleyes: :whistle:

[StockdaleforVeep]

The pride of La Crosse WI, ed gein

but i have a soft spot for elizabeth bathory

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_B%C3%A1thory

[Efilnikufesin]

The pride of La Crosse WI, ed gein

but i have a soft spot for elizabeth bathory

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_B%C3%A1thory

http://spawn.com/toys/product.aspx?product=1628

I love that toy!

[StockdaleforVeep]

George Bush 3000 Americans on 9/11
More than that in Iraq...

OO and we blame it on someone else..

brillant.

Hm, if you wish to believe tripe like that, President Bush is at the bottom on the long line of presidential "killings"

Ohhhh....off the top of my head

Lincoln-600,000 combined Union\confederate dead for an "unjust" war
andrew jackson-indians
Truman-atomic bombings
clinton-the deaths of the first trade center bombings, the cruise missiling of iraq and afghanistan, deaths from oklahoma city, deaths from uss cole and death from the zimbabwe embassy. BUT,I guess for THOSE exceptions, they were unavoidable and President Bush is just the bad one:jagoff:

[Palehose13]

Hm, if you wish to believe tripe like that, President Bush is at the bottom on the long line of presidential "killings"

Ohhhh....off the top of my head

Lincoln-600,000 combined Union\confederate dead for an "unjust" war
andrew jackson-indians
Truman-atomic bombings
clinton-the deaths of the first trade center bombings, the cruise missiling of iraq and afghanistan, deaths from oklahoma city, deaths from uss cole and death from the zimbabwe embassy. BUT,I guess for THOSE exceptions, they were unavoidable and President Bush is just the bad one:jagoff:

I can't believe I am about to type this, but I agree with you.

[Efilnikufesin]

Hm, if you wish to believe tripe like that, President Bush is at the bottom on the long line of presidential "killings"

Ohhhh....off the top of my head

Lincoln-600,000 combined Union\confederate dead for an "unjust" war
andrew jackson-indians
Truman-atomic bombings
clinton-the deaths of the first trade center bombings, the cruise missiling of iraq and afghanistan, deaths from oklahoma city, deaths from uss cole and death from the zimbabwe embassy. BUT,I guess for THOSE exceptions, they were unavoidable and President Bush is just the bad one:jagoff:
So because others did it.. it makes bushler okay to do it?

[3D23]

What is ridculous is that a traioir still sits in our office.. WE the People.

It's traitor, and seriously, he had bad advice, and is doing what he can to get the situation rectified. I don't particularily agree with what he does, or what he stands for, but let's talk with some reasonable senses in use for a minute. I am not a republican, nor a democrat, so the point is moot.

3,000 have died in Iraq, this is true. However, what you never EVER hear in the media is the amount of troops that continuously re-enlist to go back over and fight. Now this tells me a few things. 1) They are not giving up 2)are going back over because they believe they are making a difference. My uncle is a squadron commander in the Air Force, and also a Colonel. I have seen him twice in the last two years, because he is on active duty in the Gulf region. He is also fluent in the languages there, and is used as a translator quite frequently, as he was in Desert Storm.

These are his words, ver batum: "The amount of support that we receive from the Iraqi people is overwhelming, and it is increasingly frustrating to the majority of troops serving, to hear that many think this is an unjustifiable war. We continuously find mass graves in the middle of the desert, and have heard the horrific stories of the surviviors of the reign of this regime. If the American people understood what we are accomplishing, it would make a real difference."

My uncle is also NOT a republican, and believes in what he is doing. He does not follow blindly behind a leader for the sake of the leader. A bit of backstory, he was stationed at Tinker AFB, which is Oklahoma City. The time of this stationing, yep, during the OK bombing. He was in charge of the no-fly zone during that period. He had major problems with the way things were handled there, did his job, but did not hold back with his family when he was home. Not anything that would resemble treasonous, but he was unhappy. His demeanor is much different during this period, and I take him at his word, and trust him with every inch of my being.

If you want to place blame for Iraq now, then place it where it belongs. First, Bush 41. He had the chance to go after Saddam at one point, and should have. Second, Clinton. He also had the chance to go after Saddam, but instead climbed into bed with him to peek at Iran. He also had several opportunites to go after Bin Laden, yet didn't. The hijackers were in the country doing recon work during his tenure, and that of his FBI and CIA. That Louis Freeh was allowed to continue his complete and utter deconstruction through the FBI is a disgrace.

You can blame whomever you want, and all past leaders share part of the blame with Bush 43 for the state of affairs we are in in Iraq, and the Middle East. Carter likes to sit and wave his flag of patriotism over what he did during his tenure, but what he never seems to mention is his stupendously stunted and mentally challenged handling if Iran and the hostages that were being held. Reagan brough them home, and did many good things that still impact this country, but he did some very dumb things, as well.

You walk a very fine line when you start getting in to pointing fingers at one leader or another. I look at it this way. They are politicians, and for that very reason means they are morally flawed.

[StockdaleforVeep]

I can't believe I am about to type this, but I agree with you.

:kukoo: :irule:

[StockdaleforVeep]

So because others did it.. it makes bushler okay to do it?

No but why dont you make caustic remarks about any of the other former presidents, one of which that i listed was alive during our lifetime. Instead you have people glorify Lincoln as a hero and that the 40's was the greatest generation and that clinton was a "great" president despite being the cause for the economic issues President Bush inherited(BEFORE THE TERRORISM ISSUE). You simply used this thread to turn into a bush flame\bash. Since you stupidly seem to be associating President Bush as a serial killer, i simply showed you that if you moronically consider him one, there were worse prior. I hate to violate Godwins law but its like saying Hitlers genocide wasnt as bad because the Crusades and Spanish Inquisition did it before

[3D23]

No but why dont you make caustic remarks about any of the other former presidents, one of which that i listed was alive during our lifetime. Instead you have people glorify Lincoln as a hero and that the 40's was the greatest generation. You simply used this thread to turn into a bush flame\bash. Since you stupidly seem to be associating President Bush as a serial killer, i simply showed you that if you moronically consider him one, there were worse prior. I hate to violate Godwins law but its like saying Hitlers genocide wasnt as bad because the Crusades and Spanish Inquisition did it before

Great analogy, I never thought of it like that before.

[StockdaleforVeep]

Great analogy, I never thought of it like that before.


YUP and despite it being majorly against islam(Crusades), Jews were killed as well

[fquaye14ten]

No but why dont you make caustic remarks about any of the other former presidents, one of which that i listed was alive during our lifetime. Instead you have people glorify Lincoln as a hero and that the 40's was the greatest generation and that clinton was a "great" president despite being the cause for the economic issues President Bush inherited(BEFORE THE TERRORISM ISSUE). You simply used this thread to turn into a bush flame\bash. Since you stupidly seem to be associating President Bush as a serial killer, i simply showed you that if you moronically consider him one, there were worse prior. I hate to violate Godwins law but its like saying Hitlers genocide wasnt as bad because the Crusades and Spanish Inquisition did it before


exactly. If we want to be CT's about it:

Jefferson=Slave Raper
Jackson=Hitler of Indians
Lincoln=two-faced War criminal
Roosevelt=Allowed Pearl Harbor
LBJ=Killed Kennedy

but anyone with rationality wouldn't make those claims. I don't like W. Bush, but to accuse him of orchestrating 9/11 is way over the top

[kittle42]

Dave Coulier.

[TeeDeeGee]

George Bush 3000 Americans on 9/11
More than that in Iraq...

OO and we blame it on someone else..

brillant.
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons
Maddox, FTW.

[kittle42]

Cut it out.

What? He easily beats out the guy who played Proctor in the Police Academy movies.

[Iwritecode]

*edit: I guess no one else likes serial killers. I suppose I really am a sick fuck.

My wife likes renting the movies they make about them and always watches those forensic crime shows.

I always laugh because she watches that stuff but hates horror movies. She'd rather hear about real monsters that have actually gone out and killed people rather than a fake monster that kills people in their dreams. :confused:

[Iwritecode]

What? He easily beats out the guy who played Proctor in the Police Academy movies.

"Cut it out" is a line Dave uses all the time.

[samram]

What? He easily beats out the guy who played Proctor in the Police Academy movies.

Ted McGinley would take either of them.

[LuvSox]

I've read alot about this knucklehead, Danny Rolling (http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/predators/rolling/gain_1.html). He was just executed last October.

[JohnBasedowYoda]

Gein. When I went to MSOE I had a roomate who's family was loosly connected to all that. He said that Gein would walk into a local tavern and tell people all sorts of sick shit but nobody believed him. :omg:

[maurice]

I voted for Bundy only because H.H. Holmes wasn't an option. These guys were like sharks . . . kill and move and kill and move. It's amazing how long you can get away with muder when you only kill people you don't know. Heck, half of these guys get caught on purpose.

I don't think Manson qualifies as a serial killer.

[Efilnikufesin]

No but why dont you make caustic remarks about any of the other former presidents, one of which that i listed was alive during our lifetime. Instead you have people glorify Lincoln as a hero and that the 40's was the greatest generation and that clinton was a "great" president despite being the cause for the economic issues President Bush inherited(BEFORE THE TERRORISM ISSUE). You simply used this thread to turn into a bush flame\bash. Since you stupidly seem to be associating President Bush as a serial killer, i simply showed you that if you moronically consider him one, there were worse prior. I hate to violate Godwins law but its like saying Hitlers genocide wasnt as bad because the Crusades and Spanish Inquisition did it before
Wow.. Just Wow.. I would try and use logic and reason.. but it be like trying to teach a horse sign language.

[1951Campbell]

Wow.. Just Wow.. I would try and use logic and reason.. but it be like trying to teach a horse sign language.

And someone who thinks W arranged 9/11 is a paragon of logic and reason?

:rolling:

The irony is rich.

[maurice]

And someone who thinks W arranged 9/11 is a paragon of logic and reason?

Yeah, everybody knows that the Jews arranged 9/11.

W arranged Katrina. Keep it straight.

[1951Campbell]

Yeah, everybody knows that the Jews arranged 9/11.

W arranged Katrina. Keep it straight.


:thumbsup:

[TeeDeeGee]

I thought W was the Tsunami.
I bet Dubs was the Zodiac Killer.
:eek:

[samram]

I bet Dubs was the Zodiac Killer.
:eek:

Well, now you spoiled the movie, fucker.

[maurice]

I thought W was the Tsunami.

That's possible, but I'm not sure of his position on Indian Ocean Islanders.

But he DEFINITELY did Katrina, because he TOTALLY hates black people.

[TeeDeeGee]

Well, now you spoiled the movie, fucker.

Sorry. :(

Also, Ed Norton's character IS Darth Vader. :eek:
No, YOU have your movies confused...

[1951Campbell]

That's possible, but I'm not sure of his position on Indian Ocean Islanders.

But he DEFINITELY did Katrina, because he TOTALLY hates black people.

We recently learned here in PA that he hates white people too:

http://philadelphiaweather.blogspot.com/2007/02/i-78-just-reopening-at-noon-today.html

[Efilnikufesin]

And someone who thinks W arranged 9/11 is a paragon of logic and reason?

:rolling:

The irony is rich.

I see the propaganda is still working almost 6 years later.. OOO how Thomas Jefferson was right about people.

[maurice]

We recently learned here in PA that he hates white people too

What did you expect? Didn't PA bow to the Heinz fortune and vote for Kerry in '04?

[maurice]

Thomas Jefferson was right about people.

"How much pain have cost us the evils which have never happened." ?

"Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it." ?

"Be a listener only, keep within yourself, and endeavor to establish with yourself the habit of silence, especially in politics." ?

"It behoves every man who values liberty of conscience for himself, to resist invasions of it in the case of others; or their case may, by change of circumstances, become his own." ?

"Once you go black, you never go back." ?

[Efilnikufesin]

"How much pain have cost us the evils which have never happened." ?

"Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it." ?

"Be a listener only, keep within yourself, and endeavor to establish with yourself the habit of silence, especially in politics." ?

"It behoves every man who values liberty of conscience for himself, to resist invasions of it in the case of others; or their case may, by change of circumstances, become his own." ?

"Once you go black, you never go back." ?

THe Masses are Asses..:rock:

[Palehose13]

Yeah, everybody knows that the Jews arranged 9/11.

W arranged Katrina. Keep it straight.

That's possible, but I'm not sure of his position on Indian Ocean Islanders.

But he DEFINITELY did Katrina, because he TOTALLY hates black people.

I thought the homosexuals were to blame for Katrina? :hello:

[Efilnikufesin]

I thought the homosexuals were to blame for Katrina? :hello:

Finally someone got it.. The Gays are to blame for Katrina and Lesbians for 9/11.. :hello:

[Palehose13]

Finally someone got it.. The Gays are to blame for Katrina and Lesbians for 9/11.. :hello:

:omg:

9/11??? No way lesbians would do that. We'd torture the world with folk music, force everyone to wear Birkenstocks and Doc Martens, and make Ellen president.

Oh...and Subaru and Jeep would be the only vehicles in the world.

[Efilnikufesin]

:omg:

9/11??? No way lesbians would do that. We'd torture the world with folk music, force everyone to wear Birkenstocks and Doc Martens, and make Ellen president.

Oh...and Subaru and Jeep would be the only vehicles in the world.

Well its about as believable as the theory the 12 lawyers came up with in their room.. and we the public now calls fact.

[Prope]

"How much pain have cost us the evils which have never happened." ?

"Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it." ?

"Be a listener only, keep within yourself, and endeavor to establish with yourself the habit of silence, especially in politics." ?

"It behoves every man who values liberty of conscience for himself, to resist invasions of it in the case of others; or their case may, by change of circumstances, become his own." ?

"Once you go black, you never go back." ?
:owned:

[TeeDeeGee]

Well its about as believable as the theory the 12 lawyers came up with in their room.. and we the public now calls fact.

What the hell are you talking about?

:omg:

9/11??? No way lesbians would do that. We'd torture the world with folk music, force everyone to wear Birkenstocks and Doc Martens, and make Ellen president.

Oh...and Subaru and Jeep would be the only vehicles in the world.

Could I still keep my Camaro? :hello:

[Efilnikufesin]

What the hell are you talking about?

The truth man.. What are you talking about?

[TeeDeeGee]

The truth man.. What are you talking about?

Knowing me, probably The Transformers or Dr. Pepper. :shrug:

[Palehose13]

What the hell are you talking about?



Could I still keep my Camaro? :hello:

No.

You can have this sports car:
http://media.popularmechanics.com/images/tb_subaru_lead.jpg

Or change it up a bit with this:
http://www.canadiandriver.com/previews/images/03baja1-1.jpg

Or pwn everyone with one of these:
http://www.rockcrawler.com/features/newsshorts/02january/jeep_wrangler.jpg

Of course, you can always go with what most lesbians get post-30:
http://www.suv-ratings.com/Subaru_Outback.jpg

[Prope]

Of course, you can always go with what most lesbinas get post-30:
http://www.suv-ratings.com/Subaru_Outback.jpg
In all seriousness, the girl I am currently seeing drives this car.

[TeeDeeGee]

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b176/livinjoy/2006_01_09t141054_450x266_us_autos_.jpg
But but but but...
:(

[Palehose13]

In all seriousness, the girl I am currently seeing drives this car.

:eek:

Of course, I suppose straight people drive Subarus too (http://www.aaronjjohnson.com/Articles/subaru.html).

[Efilnikufesin]

Knowing me, probably The Transformers or Dr. Pepper. :shrug:

really don't care to much for the movie.. Just doesn't do anything for me.

[TeeDeeGee]

really don't care to much for the movie.. Just doesn't do anything for me.

Welcome to my ignore list. :rolleyes: [/Chips]

:D

[Palehose13]

Welcome to my ignore list. :rolleyes: [/Chips]

:D

Chips on this board became the only person I ever put on ignore. Looks like I don't have to worry about that anymore.

[StockdaleforVeep]

I bet Dubs was the Zodiac Killer.
:eek:

You honestly think he could do that cipher?

[StockdaleforVeep]

:omg:

9/11??? No way lesbians would do that. We'd torture the world with folk music, force everyone to wear Birkenstocks and Doc Martens, and make Ellen president.

Oh...and Subaru and Jeep would be the only vehicles in the world.


Where's hitlers equivalent where we need him

[Palehose13]

Where's hitlers equivalent where we need him

You sure are one stand up guy. :thumbsup:

[TeeDeeGee]

You honestly think he could do that cipher?

Yes. Yes I do. :omg:

[Efilnikufesin]

It's traitor, and seriously, he had bad advice, and is doing what he can to get the situation rectified. I don't particularily agree with what he does, or what he stands for, but let's talk with some reasonable senses in use for a minute. I am not a republican, nor a democrat, so the point is moot.

How did he have bad advise, his own sec of state Powlin told him not to do it.. and he did it anyways. Everyone said it was a bad idea..


3,000 have died in Iraq, this is true. However, what you never EVER hear in the media is the amount of troops that continuously re-enlist to go back over and fight. Now this tells me a few things. 1) They are not giving up 2)are going back over because they believe they are making a difference. My uncle is a squadron commander in the Air Force, and also a Colonel. I have seen him twice in the last two years, because he is on active duty in the Gulf region. He is also fluent in the languages there, and is used as a translator quite frequently, as he was in Desert Storm.

These are his words, ver batum: "The amount of support that we receive from the Iraqi people is overwhelming, and it is increasingly frustrating to the majority of troops serving, to hear that many think this is an unjustifiable war. We continuously find mass graves in the middle of the desert, and have heard the horrific stories of the surviviors of the reign of this regime. If the American people understood what we are accomplishing, it would make a real difference."

1) How is this our problem? There are men far worse than Saddam, yet we never careed about them before.
2) This while scam of going over to the middle east was to get those respoonsible for 9/11.. IRAQ had nothing to do with it, yet we were told that they had connections with AL quedia.. again false.. Now 5.5 years later this admin doesn't care about Bin Laden and only cares about Iraq.. funny..

My uncle is also NOT a republican, and believes in what he is doing. He does not follow blindly behind a leader for the sake of the leader. A bit of backstory, he was stationed at Tinker AFB, which is Oklahoma City. The time of this stationing, yep, during the OK bombing. He was in charge of the no-fly zone during that period. He had major problems with the way things were handled there, did his job, but did not hold back with his family when he was home. Not anything that would resemble treasonous, but he was unhappy. His demeanor is much different during this period, and I take him at his word, and trust him with every inch of my being.

If you want to place blame for Iraq now, then place it where it belongs. First, Bush 41. He had the chance to go after Saddam at one point, and should have. Second, Clinton. He also had the chance to go after Saddam, but instead climbed into bed with him to peek at Iran. He also had several opportunites to go after Bin Laden, yet didn't. The hijackers were in the country doing recon work during his tenure, and that of his FBI and CIA. That Louis Freeh was allowed to continue his complete and utter deconstruction through the FBI is a disgrace.

Bush 41 had enough sense to know that Saddam WAS WHAT WAS BEST FOR Iraq AND THAT region. He did something we can't kept the peace. I fa-king hate this how we have to force our ideals onto others because it worked here. How are we any better then the people we are attempting to fight against? Did you know that under the current admin in IRaq women have less rights then when Saddam was in power? Did you know that as soon as we leave Iraq becomes part of Iran? All we have done is feed the idea of terrorism and created an whole new nation full of it. If the Iraqis truly wanted us there.. the fighting would have stopped years ago. Sadaam was bad and evil yes, but he did what was neccaary to keep that region in peace.. or best chance to held it there. We come in and fuck that up, thinking we can change 1000 years of history because we have republic democracy .. please that is a joke.

You can blame whomever you want, and all past leaders share part of the blame with Bush 43 for the state of affairs we are in in Iraq, and the Middle East. Carter likes to sit and wave his flag of patriotism over what he did during his tenure, but what he never seems to mention is his stupendously stunted and mentally challenged handling if Iran and the hostages that were being held. Reagan brough them home, and did many good things that still impact this country, but he did some very dumb things, as well.

In life you learn from your past mistakes not duplicate them 10 fold.. and that is what Bush did..

You walk a very fine line when you start getting in to pointing fingers at one leader or another. I look at it this way. They are politicians, and for that very reason means they are morally flawed.

When it comes down to it.. he is the leader.. he hads to convince congress that going to war is a just cause.. He flat out lied.. and we are stuck cleaning up his mess for the next 20 years at least.

[TeeDeeGee]

When it comes down to it.. he is the leader.. he hads to convince congress that going to war is a just cause.. He flat out lied.. and we are stuck cleaning up his mess for the next 20 years at least.
Devil's Advocate: I don't see you blaming Congress for believing him. :shrug:

[maurice]

Devil's Advocate: I don't see you blaming Congress for believing him. :shrug:

Or for failing to cut off funding when it became apparent that staying in Iraq is counter-productive.

Congress and W spent 6 years rubber-stamping each other.

[TeeDeeGee]

Or for failing to cut off funding when it became apparent that staying in Iraq is counter-productive.

Congress and W spent 6 years rubber-stamping each other.
And while we're at it, I blame the electoral collage for getting Bush elected in the first place.

And if I'm blaming the electoral college, I might as well blame the founding fathers...

And then the king of england for making 'em mad enough to rebel in the first place...

Damn. This 9/11 conspiracy runs pretty deep. :omg:

[1951Campbell]

I see the propaganda is still working almost 6 years later.. OOO how Thomas Jefferson was right about people.

:rolleyes:

You must be trolling, I've never run into someone who had this bad a case of BDS anywhere on the internet; I've never seen someone so divorced from reality outside of Holy Spirit Hospital's Behavioral Health Center.

[1951Campbell]

What did you expect? Didn't PA bow to the Heinz fortune and vote for Kerry in '04?

Yes, but I got the feeling that it was the very palpable union mentality here in PA, not some love for Little Miss Marry-A-Politician.

[1951Campbell]

Of course, you can always go with what most lesbians get post-30:
http://www.suv-ratings.com/Subaru_Outback.jpg

Or, what 1951Campbell has owned since 1998. :D

I like girls, I'm a lesbian too, kinda, right? :D

[1951Campbell]

Don't forget libertarians in Appalachia. :thumbsup:

:rolling:

+1,000 for your long memory of my ride.

[StockdaleforVeep]

You sure are one stand up guy. :thumbsup:

if i can do this sitting, imagine what i can do standing
(i cant find it but imagine i had a picture of dennis hopper from twilight zone when he met hitler)

[StockdaleforVeep]

When it comes down to it.. he is the leader.. he hads to convince congress that going to war is a just cause.. He flat out lied.. and we are stuck cleaning up his mess for the next 20 years at least.


So....you are saying 1 man lied and was able to convince the nation, our govt, arguably the second strongest nation\govt being england and others? GMAFB

Also, iraq and the middle east has been a mess since jimmy carter and before so dont go off saying this is President Bush;s fault

Since you edited the other post and i cant quote, im not gonna bother doin what u did and answer here

1.Who at that time was worse than saddam? People have been saying iraq didnt impact us so who cares, so we are supposed to act after the fact? Iraq may not have had direct actions on 9\11 but it was a regime that defied UN ORDERS, Firing on US\Brit planes while enforcing a UN MANDATED NO FLY ZONE. American pilots were being killed, yet nothing was done. You are also talking about a regime that gave money rewards to families of suicide bombers of hamas and other terrorist cells that willingly killed women and children(but i guess since theyre jewish deaths and NOT in the US, we shouldn't care right?)
as for iraqi democracy, i guess its wrong to believe women shouldnt have to live as slaves and that every human being should be given the chance to live without fear of being killed by the government. If you wanna be like jenn and say everybody is different, well alot of atrocity is going on in afrika, but i guess we shouldnt care because its afrika, let them do what they want right?

[StockdaleforVeep]

Or for failing to cut off funding when it became apparent that staying in Iraq is counter-productive.

Congress and W spent 6 years rubber-stamping each other.


So if you dont get what you want, hurt those who are involved?

Yes, cut funding from the military that was already grossly underfunded thanks to Billy boy. Why not send troops in with black powder hunting rifles, it would safe on copper bullets

[StockdaleforVeep]

:rolleyes:

You must be trolling, I've never run into someone who had this bad a case of BDS anywhere on the internet; I've never seen someone so divorced from reality outside of Holy Spirit Hospital's Behavioral Health Center.

ncorgbl? :omg:

[Efilnikufesin]

So....you are saying 1 man lied and was able to convince the nation, our govt, arguably the second strongest nation\govt being england and others? GMAFB

Also, iraq and the middle east has been a mess since jimmy carter and before so dont go off saying this is President Bush;s fault

Since you edited the other post and i cant quote, im not gonna bother doin what u did and answer here

1.Who at that time was worse than saddam? People have been saying iraq didnt impact us so who cares, so we are supposed to act after the fact? Iraq may not have had direct actions on 9\11 but it was a regime that defied UN ORDERS, Firing on US\Brit planes while enforcing a UN MANDATED NO FLY ZONE. American pilots were being killed, yet nothing was done. You are also talking about a regime that gave money rewards to families of suicide bombers of hamas and other terrorist cells that willingly killed women and children(but i guess since theyre jewish deaths and NOT in the US, we shouldn't care right?)
as for iraqi democracy, i guess its wrong to believe women shouldnt have to live as slaves and that every human being should be given the chance to live without fear of being killed by the government. If you wanna be like jenn and say everybody is different, well alot of atrocity is going on in afrika, but i guess we shouldnt care because its afrika, let them do what they want right?

Ahh the power of 9/11 huh.. Just the mere mention of AL queida in 02/03 and people wanted revenge.. They didn't care.. And when Bushler team of propaganda police mentioend that AL quidea might be in with Saddam, Man people went nuts..And of course they had proof.. which turned out to be a lie.

Again the middle east has been a mess for 1000 years but past presidents knew that it was not wise to go in and take over.. Only Bush admin thought it was a good idea... or thought it was.. opps. But, I forgot "god" told bush to invade Iraq.. :jagoff:

1. North Korea, Iran, Saudia Arbia pakastain (where bin laden is)., All places that cause us more harm in the long run.. instead we invade Iraq.. why.. simple Saddaam thought he didn't need us anymore so he took over kuwait.. There is more to this.. but why boor you with the facts of this situation..

I love how this gets turned around.. Sadaam can't rule his own country because the UN says so.. come on.. we were told by the UN not to go in.. did we listen.. NO.. but thats ok... WAKE UP we have been lied to since 9/11...

Correct me if I am wrong, but the whole point of us in the ME is to stop terrosim not create it. Going after the countries with terrorism would be the wise move.. not the one in the region that helped us in away. We now have Iran lead leaders in the Iraqi houses of democracy that as soon as we leave they become a aprt ofIRan.. ie more terrorism.. So exactly how is this a good thing?

[Efilnikufesin]

:rolleyes:

You must be trolling, I've never run into someone who had this bad a case of BDS anywhere on the internet; I've never seen someone so divorced from reality outside of Holy Spirit Hospital's Behavioral Health Center.

Why must I be trolling because you don't agree with what I have to say? Becasue someone wanted to knwo why I thought Bushler was a huge serial killer and we disagree.. please explain it to me.

[TeeDeeGee]

Why must I be trolling because you don't agree with what I have to say? Becasue someone wanted to knwo why I thought Bushler was a huge serial killer and we disagree.. please explain it to me.

Well, the claim that Bush caused 9/11 is kinda...bullshit. Just sayin. :shrug:

[Efilnikufesin]

Or for failing to cut off funding when it became apparent that staying in Iraq is counter-productive.

Congress and W spent 6 years rubber-stamping each other.

Congress cuts off funds.. How does that look? They first were con into going to war only to realize it was a mistake.

[Efilnikufesin]

Well, the claim that Bush caused 9/11 is kinda...bullshit. Just sayin. :shrug:

Prove me wrong.. and I will shut up.

[TeeDeeGee]

Prove me wrong.. and I will shut up.

Well, are you going with the "Loose Change" thing? Cause that's bullshit too...

[Efilnikufesin]

Well, are you going with the "Loose Change" thing? Cause that's bullshit too...

No what the country is lacking common sense.. no 9/11 no reason to go to midle east.. no reason to invade Iraq..

Let me guess X military are you?

[TeeDeeGee]

No what the country is lacking common sense.. no 9/11 no reason to go to midle east.. no reason to invade Iraq..

Let me guess X military are you?

Ex Military? Heh, not quite...

I can't really prove you wrong I guess...but the theory that Bush orchestrated the death of I-don't-remember-how-many Americans just because he had this grand scheme to invade Iraq doesn't seem very likely to me.

I mean c'mon, this sounds like the kind of evil scheme Cobra Commander would do as president, I wouldn't put Cobra Commander and Dubs on the same level (And one of them isn't even real!)

[1951Campbell]

Why must I be trolling because you don't agree with what I have to say? Becasue someone wanted to knwo why I thought Bushler was a huge serial killer and we disagree.. please explain it to me.

It has nothing to do whether we agree or not. Please note that I have not accused other people I disagree with here on politics of trolling.

You said W arranged 9/11.

You put forth that opinion that made it seem like you actually believed it.

You have also unironically used the term "Bushler" several times.

My ten years on the interweb leads me to believe that you are either (1) nuts, (2) 15 years old, or (3) trolling. If none of those three things is the case, I'm willing to be persuaded otherwise. But that's on you, not me. You seem to make earnest posts about the Sox here, that's good. But man up and be willing to take your lumps in the politics forum if you prattle on about "OMFG BUshler planned teh 9)11!!!!!!!!11111111111"

[1951Campbell]

Prove me wrong.. and I will shut up.

You put forth the proposition, you prove it.

:rolleyes:

[Efilnikufesin]

It has nothing to do whether we agree or not. Please note that I have not accused other people I disagree with here on politics of trolling.

You said W arranged 9/11.

You put forth that opinion that made it seem like you actually believed it.

You have also unironically used the term "Bushler" several times.

My ten years on the interweb leads me to believe that you are either (1) nuts, (2) 15 years old, or (3) trolling. If none of those three things is the case, I'm willing to be persuaded otherwise. But that's on you, not me. You seem to make earnest posts about the Sox here, that's good. But man up and be willing to take your lumps in the politics forum if you prattle on about "OMFG BUshler planned teh 9)11!!!!!!!!11111111111"

Go with Option 4.. knows what he is talking about..

Anyways..

Busler.. See what Hitler did before WWII blaming the wrong people for the problems of Germany.. see Bush doing the same witht eh people of the middle east.. Both did this w/o proof.

I would not call it taking lumps.. I would call it laughing my ass off.. I have done this before and listen to all the lies and BS you will come up with that supports this terorsim we are doing as a country. There has been no proof to link AL Quieda to 9/11..

Find it funny we spent more money investigating a BJ in the oval office then we did when our own citizens died.. Instead we rushed over a country spend 6months destoriing it then head to Iraq.. which had nothing to do with any of this..

You have to prove that Bush and his Admin had nothing to do with this BS.. becasue since 9/11.. everything has been a lie. Common snese would be to say if you lied to me about that.. what else would he lie about?

Let me ask you this.. What was Bush message on 9/12?

[TeeDeeGee]

Go with Option 4.. knows what he is talking about..

Anyways..

Busler.. See what Hitler did before WWII blaming the wrong people for the problems of Germany.. see Bush doing the same witht eh people of the middle east.. Both did this w/o proof.

I would not call it taking lumps.. I would call it laughing my ass off.. I have done this before and listen to all the lies and BS you will come up with that supports this terorsim we are doing as a country. There has been no proof to link AL Quieda to 9/11..
Didn't Bin Laden admit to being behind it?
Does that not count as proof?

Find it funny we spent more money investigating a BJ in the oval office then we did when our own citizens died.. Instead we rushed over a country spend 6months destoriing it then head to Iraq.. which had nothing to do with any of this..
I really doubt we spent more money on Clinton's stuff than on 9/11...

You have to prove that Bush and his Admin had nothing to do with this BS.. becasue since 9/11.. everything has been a lie. Common snese would be to say if you lied to me about that.. what else would he lie about?
You made the claim, isn't the burden of proof on you?

[Efilnikufesin]

Didn't Bin Laden admit to being behind it?
Does that not count as proof?
So if I admit to killing Lincoln then it must be true because I admitted to it.. now there is no proof of this.. just the fact that I said it must make it true.. Also when did he admit to it right around election time in 04, when who was up for re-election.. you guest it. You better come withs ome thing better than that.

I really doubt we spent more money on Clinton's stuff than on 9/11...

We spent roughly 14mil on this and about 80mil (http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/04/01/counsel.probe.costs/) on a BJ...


You made the claim, isn't the burden of proof on you?

Who benfited from 9/11? Bush


Before we start this.. and this is my last post of the night..

Explain to me the follwoing

WTC 7
Pentagon

Please explain how those two building happened .. with proof.

[TeeDeeGee]

Who benfited from 9/11? Bush
How? How did he benefit? Now a good chunk of the world hates him? Yeah, that was a damn good plan of his, crashing a plane into this buildings...


Before we start this.. and this is my last post of the night..

Explain to me the follwoing

WTC 7
Pentagon

Please explain how those two building happened .. with proof.
WTC 7: In May 2002, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) issued a report on the collapse. FEMA made preliminary findings that the collapse was primarily caused by fires on multiple stories. This means that WTC 7 is the third steel framed building in history to collapse due to fire. The first two; the twin towers. (which were started by debris from the other two towers), and not by the actual impact damage from the collapse of 1 WTC and 2 WTC.
Source (http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_ch5.pdf)

I quoted that from Wikipedia, I included their source. :shrug:

Pentagon: A plane hit it.
There's pictures.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/92/Pentagon_video_security1.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5b/Pentagon_video_security4.jpg


I still have no idea where your basis for this theory is, other than "common sense", even though my common sense is telling me the opposite of what you're saying.

EDIT: BTW, I'd ask Hangar if you can borrow his tinfoil hat.

[fquaye14ten]

quit quoting that dude please

[StockdaleforVeep]

http://s3.invisionfree.com/southsiders/index.php?showtopic=22

http://www.southsiders.net/index.php?showtopic=4216

TheOldRoman reveals his name in the second link, posing as The Four Horsemen.

And here is Ncorgbl in WSI glory: http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=13033

which post has the name, ronam just said ncrappable gave out his address

hahahah and i thought we were the only ones who continued his existence on the internet

seems hes a good buddy of davers too...lol

[StockdaleforVeep]

1. North Korea, Iran, Saudia Arbia pakastain (where bin laden is)., All places that cause us more harm in the long run.. instead we invade Iraq.. why.. simple Saddaam thought he didn't need us anymore so he took over kuwait.. There is more to this.. but why boor you with the facts of this situation..

I love how this gets turned around.. Sadaam can't rule his own country because the UN says so.. come on.. we were told by the UN not to go in.. did we listen.. NO.. but thats ok... WAKE UP we have been lied to since 9/11...

Correct me if I am wrong, but the whole point of us in the ME is to stop terrosim not create it. Going after the countries with terrorism would be the wise move.. not the one in the region that helped us in away. We now have Iran lead leaders in the Iraqi houses of democracy that as soon as we leave they become a aprt ofIRan.. ie more terrorism.. So exactly how is this a good thing?


Iran was not in the process or being investigated for nuclear development
North Korea is a special issue hard to develop with. At the moment its a north korea\south korea war thats only peaceful cuz they have a cease fire goin
pakistan-blame the govt of pakistan, they lacked the ability to act appropriately. Pakistan is also tech allied with the US with the war on afghanistan. Not to mention they have nuclear weapons already and act military act on them will result on india being attacked and india retaliating.

If you seem to be blessed with the knowledge of the "lie" why are you even around and not in some shack with tinfoil on your head. If you had "information" you would not be breathing

Terrorism will exist in every nation state. That is a fact. And for all the prior comments, iraq and other nations with radical muslim schools teach their children from the age they can speak that the jew is evil and a combination of a pig and ape, yeah, we should let those nations teach that :rolleyes:

[StockdaleforVeep]

No what the country is lacking common sense.. no 9/11 no reason to go to midle east.. no reason to invade Iraq..

Let me guess X military are you?
http://www.fas.org/news/un/iraq/sres/sres0678.htm

[StockdaleforVeep]

Who benfited from 9/11? Bush


Before we start this.. and this is my last post of the night..

Explain to me the follwoing

WTC 7
Pentagon

Please explain how those two building happened .. with proof.

Musta been fancy holograms, that or it was fake and the city of new york was in on it

[Deuce]

http://www.fas.org/news/un/iraq/sres/sres0678.htm

Damn it, Stockdale, stop using facts to support your well thought out positions. This is an internet board. Just say something stupid and support it with weak, inconsistant arguments like everyone else does.

Deuce

[StockdaleforVeep]

Damn it, Stockdale, stop using facts to support your well thought out positions. This is an internet board. Just say something stupid and support it with weak, inconsistant arguments like everyone else does.

Deuce

http://www.fas.org/news/un/iraq/sres/sres0687.htm

:hello:

[Efilnikufesin]

Damn it, Stockdale, stop using facts to support your well thought out positions. This is an internet board. Just say something stupid and support it with weak, inconsistant arguments like everyone else does.

Deuce

Huh? Facts.. Where.. All i see is the same propaganda that has been sold as facts.. Ala How the Nazi convinced the Germans that the jews were the cause of all their problems.
http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/vtbear/flowerswithbears.jpg

Don't worry just look at the pretty bears.. they are so nice..

[Efilnikufesin]

http://www.fas.org/news/un/iraq/sres/sres0687.htm

:hello:

Wow, you truly do miss points.. Its okay for the USA to not follow the UN, but Iraq should do it.. :rolleyes:

[StockdaleforVeep]

Huh? Facts.. Where.. All i see is the same propaganda that has been sold as facts.. Ala How the Nazi convinced the Germans that the jews were the cause of all their problems.
http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/vtbear/flowerswithbears.jpg

Don't worry just look at the pretty bears.. they are so nice..



yet again, your lack of proof is astounding. Just saying its so does not make it true.Unless yer me and referring to myrtle wanting my cock. Stop thinking you are special and one of the minority privy to information we dont have. If u dislike Bush, whatever, go boycott and protest with some unamerican jag bags like cindy sheehan and michael moore. Sitting on a message board bashing bush and the admin is the perfect example of whats wrong with liberals. You whine and bash and complain about whats wrong and what should be done but offer no legitimate ideas or plans to help facilitate answers.

http://wwwcs.upb.de/paderborn/kino/scenes/98/the_big_lebowski3.jpg
"You're like a child who wanders into the middle of a movie and wants to know... "

[1951Campbell]

quit quoting that dude please

I'm done.

[Efilnikufesin]

How? How did he benefit? Now a good chunk of the world hates him? Yeah, that was a damn good plan of his, crashing a plane into this buildings...


WTC 7: In May 2002, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) issued a report on the collapse. FEMA made preliminary findings that the collapse was primarily caused by fires on multiple stories. This means that WTC 7 is the third steel framed building in history to collapse due to fire. The first two; the twin towers. (which were started by debris from the other two towers), and not by the actual impact damage from the collapse of 1 WTC and 2 WTC.
Source (http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_ch5.pdf)

I quoted that from Wikipedia, I included their source. :shrug:

Pentagon: A plane hit it.
There's pictures.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/92/Pentagon_video_security1.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5b/Pentagon_video_security4.jpg


I still have no idea where your basis for this theory is, other than "common sense", even though my common sense is telling me the opposite of what you're saying.

EDIT: BTW, I'd ask Hangar if you can borrow his tinfoil hat.

Wow, just wow...

Wikipedia is your news source..:rolling: I didn't know I was dealing with people this bad.. And you come on here telling me "loose Change" is bs..
You do know that Wikipedia can be edited by anyone right?..

I love also how you ignore the facts when they are presented to you.. Again we spent.. 14mil on a "terrorist" act.. and 80 mil on a BJ... You don't find that a tad bit alarming? This Admin rushed through the investigation hired 12 lawyers who job it was to come up with a Theory that would best fit Bush plans to invade Iraq.. the 9/11 commission . All the evidence was destroyed to link anyone to it.. and now we are stuck watching thousands of Americans die for profit. That is the short version of the truth.

And to think 3 years ago.. I blindly follow their version of the truth..until..:omg: and I read about WTC 7 when someone questioned how a steel building can fall down, from a simple 3 story fire.. then the owner of the Building and FEMA have two different versions of what happened.

[Efilnikufesin]

yet again, your lack of proof is astounding. Just saying its so does not make it true.Unless yer me and referring to myrtle wanting my cock. Stop thinking you are special and one of the minority privy to information we dont have. If u dislike Bush, whatever, go boycott and protest with some unamerican jag bags like cindy sheehan and michael moore. Sitting on a message board bashing bush and the admin is the perfect example of whats wrong with liberals. You whine and bash and complain about whats wrong and what should be done but offer no legitimate ideas or plans to help facilitate answers.


First up.. Donny, were you listening to the Dude's Story.. No, so you have no frame of reference..

Alright now that we can both quote Walter..Let get back to businesses.

First off, I am not a liberal.. I not a conservative.. But with that said.. I guess the plan of shoot first and second then wonder why they shoot back, plan is working great for you guys huh?

And you are right.. that is the whole point.. because I say it is not true.. But because they say it.. its true.. We both lack the key to convince people in reality.. EVIDENCE! but, I guess they don't need any since you agree with their current method.

I have to love the Nazism in your post.. Either you agree with this or your un-American.. Heaven forbid someone disagree with going to war or ask exactly what we are doing there.. Just Follow blindly that is being a good american huh? Just like the Nazis convinced the Germans.. Questioning your leaders actions is what Patriots do, following blindly is the easy and lazy thing..

Look this all started because I voiced my opinion on who my fav serial killer is.. Bush is it.. He convince a whole nation that what he is doing was right..and when the minority step up and said he was wrong.. this is the BS we get.

Lastly I know allot of that is going to go over your head.. your lack of education is showing when you call people unamerican for standing up for what they feel is right.

http://www.irelandsown.net/bush-nazi.jpg

[samram]

^ Adorable.

By the way, I've found that the use of the term Bushler or other Nazi comparisons usually gets this (:rolleyes: ), even from people who dislike Bush. It's probably the stupidest tactic to denigrate a president who has been bad for a lot of reasons.

And I love the thought that the federal government could actually keep a 9/11 conspiracy quiet considering the number of people who would have been involved and the type of people who work for the feds.

[CaptainBallz]

If u dislike Bush, whatever, go boycott and protest with some unamerican jag bags like cindy sheehan and michael moore. Sitting on a message board bashing bush and the admin is the perfect example of whats wrong with liberals. You whine and bash and complain about whats wrong and what should be done but offer no legitimate ideas or plans to help facilitate answers.




:rolleyes:

^Stinkiest post in internet history...

[TeeDeeGee]

Wow, just wow...

Wikipedia is your news source..:rolling: I didn't know I was dealing with people this bad.. And you come on here telling me "loose Change" is bs..
You do know that Wikipedia can be edited by anyone right?..


I'm jumping on the "I'm done talking to you about this" bandwagon, but I just wanted to respond to this.

I used Wikipeida cause i'm really lazy, but considering this is a fucking message board and not a scholarly journal, I think it's credible enough. :rolleyes:

BTW, I know for a fact that Bob Barker caused Pearl Harbor.
Prove me wrong.

[fquaye14ten]

good fucking grief. will you guys stop quoting him?

[CaptainBallz]

This article parties harder than your mom.

http://www.observer.com/20070305/20070305_Sydney_Schanberg_politics_newsstory4-2.asp

Whether or not Mr. Fitzgerald gets a conviction, he has created a trial record that establishes the administration's guilt. Sprinkled throughout are the names of most of the neoconservatives who had been planning the current Iraq War ever since the 1991 Gulf War ended with Saddam Hussein still in power.

They came out in the open in 1997 when they formed a Washington think tank of their own—the Project for the New American Century (PNAC). Their first public act was a 1998 letter to President Bill Clinton, calling for the swift “removal of Saddam Hussein’s regime.”...

Then, in 2000, just before Mr. Bush’s elevation to the White House by the Supreme Court, the PNAC war-seekers issued a lengthy manifesto calling for a major escalation of the country’s military mission. This 81-page document proposed a buildup that would make it possible for the United States to “fight and decisively win multiple, simultaneous major theater wars.” The report depicted these wars as “large scale” and “spread across [the] globe.”

Iraq was named as a major threat.

Another aim of this escalation was as follows: “Control the new ‘international commons’ of space and cyberspace, and pave the way for the creation of a new military service—U.S. Space Forces—with the mission of space control.” (:omg: )

Perhaps the eeriest sentence in the document is found on page 51, conjuring up images of 9/11: “The process of transformation … is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event—like a new Pearl Harbor.”(The PNAC documents can be found online at newamericancentury.org.)[/i]

[Palehose13]

Or, what 1951Campbell has owned since 1998. :D

I like girls, I'm a lesbian too, kinda, right? :D

Of course.

And oh how I wish I could split a thread right now.

[maurice]

So if you dont get what you want, hurt those who are involved?

That's daft. Cutting funding doesn't "hurt" anybody, except maybe W's feelings. It's the obvious, constitutionally sound method of forcing a withdrawal. Withdrawal is the OPPOSITE of the thing that hurts soldiers (being in Iraq and getting blown up by IEDs).

BTW, I agree that the best argument in favor of invading Iraq is that the UN is a bunch of pussies . . . but that's no reason to stay.

[maurice]

In a futile attempt to return this thread to the neighborhood of the original topic, here's a pic of my favorite cereal killer:

http://www.goreydetails.net/images/items/jpeg1124519040.jpg

[Efilnikufesin]

In a futile attempt to return this thread to the neighborhood of the original topic, here's a pic of my favorite cereal killer:

http://www.goreydetails.net/images/items/jpeg1124519040.jpg


I loved that cereal.. even now!

[StockdaleforVeep]

First up.. Donny, were you listening to the Dude's Story.. No, so you have no frame of reference..

Alright now that we can both quote Walter..Let get back to businesses.

First off, I am not a liberal.. I not a conservative.. But with that said.. I guess the plan of shoot first and second then wonder why they shoot back, plan is working great for you guys huh?

And you are right.. that is the whole point.. because I say it is not true.. But because they say it.. its true.. We both lack the key to convince people in reality.. EVIDENCE! but, I guess they don't need any since you agree with their current method.

I have to love the Nazism in your post.. Either you agree with this or your un-American.. Heaven forbid someone disagree with going to war or ask exactly what we are doing there.. Just Follow blindly that is being a good american huh? Just like the Nazis convinced the Germans.. Questioning your leaders actions is what Patriots do, following blindly is the easy and lazy thing..

Look this all started because I voiced my opinion on who my fav serial killer is.. Bush is it.. He convince a whole nation that what he is doing was right..and when the minority step up and said he was wrong.. this is the BS we get.

Lastly I know allot of that is going to go over your head.. your lack of education is showing when you call people unamerican for standing up for what they feel is right.

http://www.irelandsown.net/bush-nazi.jpg

Do you call fdr a nazi for abusing his power for the good of the nation and allowing pearl harbor and sinking of american trade ships to happen

and perhaps you should invest in some benjamin franklin bifocals, and read what i type. I imply that you are unamerican because you make up shit and claim it to be true, same as michael moore.

[StockdaleforVeep]

That's daft. Cutting funding doesn't "hurt" anybody, except maybe W's feelings. It's the obvious, constitutionally sound method of forcing a withdrawal. Withdrawal is the OPPOSITE of the thing that hurts soldiers (being in Iraq and getting blown up by IEDs).

BTW, I agree that the best argument in favor of invading Iraq is that the UN is a bunch of pussies . . . but that's no reason to stay.

Taking funds away takes body armor and other protection for soldiers to do the job. Its like cutting funds for cop cars because we want them to walk more

[fquaye14ten]

Do you call fdr a nazi for abusing his power for the good of the nation and allowing pearl harbor and sinking of american trade ships to happen

and perhaps you should invest in some benjamin franklin bifocals, and read what i type. I imply that you are unamerican because you make up shit and claim it to be true, same as michael moore.

please stop quoting him

[StockdaleforVeep]

please stop quoting him

By quoting me who is quoting him, you are quoting him ;)

[Efilnikufesin]

By quoting me who is quoting him, you are quoting him ;)

No, he needs attention the more we discuss this the less attention he gets.

[Efilnikufesin]

Do you call fdr a nazi for abusing his power for the good of the nation and allowing pearl harbor and sinking of american trade ships to happen

and perhaps you should invest in some benjamin franklin bifocals, and read what i type. I imply that you are unamerican because you make up shit and claim it to be true, same as michael moore.

FDR stayed out of the war as long as he could.. Then when The japanense attacked us then we faught.. FDR didn't help the Japanese attack us so him and his friends can make money off the war.

You implied people like Cindy Sheanan and me are the same.. and we are.. We would like to know the truth..Why in the Hell did we go to Iraq.. Mikey Moore is the same as Bush.. Spreading lies for profit.

For the record I was for the War on Terror.. It wasn't until we did a left turn and went after Iraq.. which has nothing to do with terrorism... Well at least not until we got there.

[fquaye14ten]

By quoting me who is quoting him, you are quoting him ;)

that is true times negative one

[StockdaleforVeep]

that is true times negative one


im not wise of math, hence why i graduated a history major

[StockdaleforVeep]

FDR stayed out of the war as long as he could.. Then when The japanense attacked us then we faught.. FDR didn't help the Japanese attack us so him and his friends can make money off the war.

You implied people like Cindy Sheanan and me are the same.. and we are.. We would like to know the truth..Why in the Hell did we go to Iraq.. Mikey Moore is the same as Bush.. Spreading lies for profit.

For the record I was for the War on Terror.. It wasn't until we did a left turn and went after Iraq.. which has nothing to do with terrorism... Well at least not until we got there.

Yes but people like sheehan selfishly put their interests ahead of others. She forgets that her son enlisted of free will, hence knew the dangers. There is a reason why miss demanding is divorced and why she is getting all the news media while the husband remains relatively unknown as he should. What makes her son so much more important than anyone serving or dead. Her protests are a direct mockery of those who serve and those who died in service of this country

also, fdr was durin the depression, CT's like you proclaim he had advance warning but allowed so the country could become war producing and thus ending the depression

[Prope]

:soapbox: lemme get up there....
Also, iraq and the middle east has been a mess since jimmy carter and before so dont go off saying this is President Bush;s fault
Actually our problems in the Middle East began in 1946, primarily with Iran. The US has had economic interest in the Middle East since (not sure of the exact date, so we'll go with..) early 1900s, and while there may have been problems here or there, they were diplomatic. 1946 and our concern with the Soviets, Western Europe's economy, and our own oil supply had we gone to war with the Soviets. What is really funny about the Iranian Crisis (perhaps Truman's most embarrassing diplomatic handling) is that if we had learned the lesson of handling the relationship between the shah and prime minister, the 1979 Revolution might never have happened.

well alot of atrocity is going on in afrika, but i guess we shouldnt care because its afrika, let them do what they want right?
One of the few things I've agree with you in this thread. My only issue with the argument of liberation from Saddam is that if we are going to do it in Iraq, we have to be willing to do it everywhere.

[Prope]

^ Adorable.

By the way, I've found that the use of the term Bushler or other Nazi comparisons usually gets this (:rolleyes: ), even from people who dislike Bush. It's probably the stupidest tactic to denigrate a president who has been bad for a lot of reasons.

And I love the thought that the federal government could actually keep a 9/11 conspiracy quiet considering the number of people who would have been involved and the type of people who work for the feds.
Hi, I'm Prope and I'm one of those that you speak of. :hello:

[Efilnikufesin]

Yes but people like sheehan selfishly put their interests ahead of others. She forgets that her son enlisted of free will, hence knew the dangers. There is a reason why miss demanding is divorced and why she is getting all the news media while the husband remains relatively unknown as he should. What makes her son so much more important than anyone serving or dead. Her protests are a direct mockery of those who serve and those who died in service of this country

also, fdr was durin the depression, CT's like you proclaim he had advance warning but allowed so the country could become war producing and thus ending the depression

I would think Bush is the selfishy one not Cindy.. Cindy simply is protesting against an unjust war.. What is so wrong in that? Us going into Iraq is no different than terrorists attacks here..UNCALLED FOR. She is standing up for what she believes in.. and us as Americans should take note.

How smart is it to start a war that leaves us stuck in a region for the next 20 years at least? Because this is what we have done.. You know being a history major, one would think you would be on this side of the fence.. Bushler is expects that all that is needed is a democracy and these people who have been at each others throats over an idea for 1000 years to go away.> Come on now that is just as bad as the idea of how WTC7 came down. All presidents since carter were smart enough to know that forcing our way of life onto these people is to going to change anything.. in fact it is going to make it worse. But people like you and other that support this think that they are going to love us.. and no more problems are ever going to happen because we gave them democracy, with optional Wal-mart and MickeyD upgrade package.

Cindy S wants what I want and others like us.. To figure out why we went to Iraq.. it only hurts this country.. Again Bush being selfish.

Again the only CT, who believe the official story made up by 12 lawyers.. sorry, I am not buying DC trying to be Hollywood.

[SoxEd]

Well, I was just going to post the identity of my 'favourite' SK - it's this guy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chikatilo) - but now I want to have a go at the political stuff:

On the subject of Iraq, the war was NEVER about 'securing the region for Democracy', or about 'securing the Oil supply for the American people'.

Under the Cheney regime (Bush 43 was never anything more than a malleable puppet with an electable name), this war was SOLELY about securing the Oil for Halliburton and assorted other Corporate interests.

The reputation/security of America can go hang - Dick and his buddies have their snouts in the Iraqi trough now, and on a peerlessly long and productive basis (see the PSA's for the Iraqi oilfields).

One has only to look at the size of the initial troop deployment (completely inadequate for invasion and peacekeeping in a country of that size), the nature of what was and what was NOT protected during the initial occupation, the way that US Forces personnel are treated as expendable, the way the contracts were HANDED OUT, and the way that Halliburton has behaved (e.g. HOW much was it charging those same US forces that secured the oilfields for gas produced from them?).

I do NOT buy the idea that Cheney, Rumsfield, Libby et al 'got it wrong' - these men are NOT thick.
Plus they ignored the advice of the CIA, Army War College, and some pretty senior generals when designing the occupation 'package'.

No. They are not thick, and they did not make an honest mistake.
They are Corporate Robber Barons, out to enrich themselves and their buddies. Why should they give a shit how many American soldiers die in the process? They can afford top-notch private security for the rest of their lives, and so can their families.

If you look at the invasion of Iraq from that standpoint, the War has been an unparalleled success story.

The liars currently in your Executive branch have utterly destroyed your country's reputation across the globe probably irredeemably for at least the next 20 years, and probably longer, solely in the interests of making themselves (and their friends) even richer in the short term.

EDIT: Just let me add that, even though I'm yer typical Liberal European type, even I don't think that the 'Dubya' regime was responsible for 9/11. Sure, Cheney et al took advantage of it to push through the PNAC agenda, some Police State measures, and to profiteer on the back of them - but commissioning it? No. Fucking. Way.

[StockdaleforVeep]

I would think Bush is the selfishy one not Cindy.. Cindy simply is protesting against an unjust war.. What is so wrong in that? Us going into Iraq is no different than terrorists attacks here..UNCALLED FOR. She is standing up for what she believes in.. and us as Americans should take note.

How smart is it to start a war that leaves us stuck in a region for the next 20 years at least? Because this is what we have done.. You know being a history major, one would think you would be on this side of the fence.. Bushler is expects that all that is needed is a democracy and these people who have been at each others throats over an idea for 1000 years to go away.> Come on now that is just as bad as the idea of how WTC7 came down. All presidents since carter were smart enough to know that forcing our way of life onto these people is to going to change anything.. in fact it is going to make it worse. But people like you and other that support this think that they are going to love us.. and no more problems are ever going to happen because we gave them democracy, with optional Wal-mart and MickeyD upgrade package.

Cindy S wants what I want and others like us.. To figure out why we went to Iraq.. it only hurts this country.. Again Bush being selfish.

Again the only CT, who believe the official story made up by 12 lawyers.. sorry, I am not buying DC trying to be Hollywood.

So every time the president makes a decision, you are expected a response as to "why?"

Sheehan already had a visit with the president, as the president made visits with many of the families of those who died in the war. http://www.thereporter.com/search/ci_2923921
So right there she is a hypocrite, being she had the chance to "ask her questions" but did not. What did she do? She harassed the president by camping outside his ranch "demanding" answers. Also, even though invited to one of the state of the union speeches by a democrat, she delib acted to be thrown out. She is a perfect example of the far left and how it is used against Bush. She is an antisemite, she disgraces her son's legacy by this, she disgraces the troops currently serving who volunteered and proudly serve. She exploits her son's death because she is a attention whore. For christs sake, she complained that cnn was discussing Hurricane rita and NOT HER! And i wont bother justifying her little soire with hugo chavez :jagoff:

So if sheehan represents you and your selfish ideals, then have at it, as long as you admit it, ive shown the proof, eat it Bush has gained nothing from the iraq war, the polls will show this. What makes her son's death more important than any others? What gives her the right to disgrace those who already died and famlies that honor them. Yer prob one of the jagbags from the baptist ministry who protest war funerals arent ya :jagoff:

[StockdaleforVeep]

Well, I was just going to post the identity of my 'favourite' SK - it's this guy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chikatilo) - but now I want to have a go at the political stuff:

On the subject of Iraq, the war was NEVER about 'securing the region for Democracy', or about 'securing the Oil supply for the American people'.

Under the Cheney regime (Bush 43 was never anything more than a malleable puppet with an electable name), this war was SOLELY about securing the Oil for Halliburton and assorted other Corporate interests.

The reputation/security of America can go hang - Dick and his buddies have their snouts in the Iraqi trough now, and on a peerlessly long and productive basis (see the PSA's for the Iraqi oilfields).

One has only to look at the size of the initial troop deployment (completely inadequate for invasion and peacekeeping in a country of that size), the nature of what was and what was NOT protected during the initial occupation, the way that US Forces personnel are treated as expendable, the way the contracts were HANDED OUT, and the way that Halliburton has behaved (e.g. HOW much was it charging those same US forces that secured the oilfields for gas produced from them?).

I do NOT buy the idea that Cheney, Rumsfield, Libby et al 'got it wrong' - these men are NOT thick.
Plus they ignored the advice of the CIA, Army War College, and some pretty senior generals when designing the occupation 'package'.

No. They are not thick, and they did not make an honest mistake.
They are Corporate Robber Barons, out to enrich themselves and their buddies. Why should they give a shit how many American soldiers die in the process? They can afford top-notch private security for the rest of their lives, and so can their families.

If you look at the invasion of Iraq from that standpoint, the War has been an unparalleled success story.

The liars currently in your Executive branch have utterly destroyed your country's reputation across the globe probably irredeemably for at least the next 20 years, and probably longer, solely in the interests of making themselves (and their friends) even richer in the short term.

EDIT: Just let me add that, even though I'm yer typical Liberal European type, even I don't think that the 'Dubya' regime was responsible for 9/11. Sure, Cheney et al took advantage of it to push through the PNAC agenda, some Police State measures, and to profiteer on the back of them - but commissioning it? No. Fucking. Way.

well said limey chap

[Efilnikufesin]

So every time the president makes a decision, you are expected a response as to "why?"

Sheehan already had a visit with the president, as the president made visits with many of the families of those who died in the war. http://www.thereporter.com/search/ci_2923921
So right there she is a hypocrite, being she had the chance to "ask her questions" but did not. What did she do? She harassed the president by camping outside his ranch "demanding" answers. Also, even though invited to one of the state of the union speeches by a democrat, she delib acted to be thrown out. She is a perfect example of the far left and how it is used against Bush. She is an antisemite, she disgraces her son's legacy by this, she disgraces the troops currently serving who volunteered and proudly serve. She exploits her son's death because she is a attention whore. For christs sake, she complained that cnn was discussing Hurricane rita and NOT HER! And i wont bother justifying her little soire with hugo chavez :jagoff:

So if sheehan represents you and your selfish ideals, then have at it, as long as you admit it, ive shown the proof, eat it Bush has gained nothing from the iraq war, the polls will show this. What makes her son's death more important than any others? What gives her the right to disgrace those who already died and famlies that honor them. Yer prob one of the jagbags from the baptist ministry who protest war funerals arent ya :jagoff:

The easy answer is yes.. Yes you have to question your leaders and their decisions.. otherwise, what you are doing is blindingly following.. much like the Germans did.. Esp decisions that impact more than just our nation.

BLAH>BLAH>BLAH.. if your not blinding following the Furher leadership you are unamerican.. come up with something new already..

You have proven jack shit, Bush has gain allot from this on the money side.. you have to pay back those that buy your office for you. You still have failed to explain why we rushed through the 9/11 investigation, why they only spent 14mil on something so huge, while they spent 80mil on whether a president lied about a BJ. Or explain WTC7.. no all you have done is divert from the topic of the cover up that is IRAQ.

Nice attempt at a crack with the Baptist thing.. Very classy.

[StockdaleforVeep]

The easy answer is yes.. Yes you have to question your leaders and their decisions.. otherwise, what you are doing is blindingly following.. much like the Germans did.. Esp decisions that impact more than just our nation.

BLAH>BLAH>BLAH.. if your not blinding following the Furher leadership you are unamerican.. come up with something new already..

You have proven jack shit, Bush has gain allot from this on the money side.. you have to pay back those that buy your office for you. You still have failed to explain why we rushed through the 9/11 investigation, why they only spent 14mil on something so huge, while they spent 80mil on whether a president lied about a BJ. Or explain WTC7.. no all you have done is divert from the topic of the cover up that is IRAQ.

Nice attempt at a crack with the Baptist thing.. Very classy.

IM Just as classy as you have been with associating President bush and fuhrer\adolph hitler,what is the difference
check mate, I WIN

Bush is not involved with killin 10 million, Bush is not out against a set ethnic group of people, stop associating wrong persons or learn to use the right persons in your hate mongering

[Efilnikufesin]

IM Just as classy as you have been with associating President bush and fuhrer\adolph hitler,what is the difference
check mate, I WIN

Bush is not involved with killin 10 million, Bush is not out against a set ethnic group of people, stop associating wrong persons or learn to use the right persons in your hate mongering

I'm sorry if I want to used historical accuracy to depict the evils of Bush and you want to give him a medal for being just as bad as Hitler.. The only difference is Bush hasn't figure out how to convince the masses such as yourself that killing everyone in ME is a good thing.. YET

Yet.. Give him time, LMAO, sure he only attacking the ME.. no where else that is nothing like Germans who only attacked Jews at first..Wait I thought you were someone who knew their history? Cause you sure are not showing it.

Wait should I associated him with Mother Theresa and Jesus. I mean he iis such a humanitarian.. Sorry If I love this country more than you.. and do not want to see it turn into the very thing we are suppose to be stopping... I'm sorry that YOU support Terrorism, and others like you do the same..

Lastly I'm done.. your lack of anything that could be called a rational thought on this topic has been proven in now 15+pages. You have failed to back up your argument, And telling me I am wrong and crazy is not back it up.. Now it seems all that is left is name calling, showing the true intelligence you have.. I will discuss White Sox baseball and other topics with you.. just not this. I don't feel like wasting my time.

[StockdaleforVeep]

i still say bathory or ed gein

[StockdaleforVeep]

I'm sorry if I want to used historical accuracy to depict the evils of Bush and you want to give him a medal for being just as bad as Hitler.. The only difference is Bush hasn't figure out how to convince the masses such as yourself that killing everyone in ME is a good thing.. YET

Yet.. Give him time, LMAO, sure he only attacking the ME.. no where else that is nothing like Germans who only attacked Jews at first..Wait I thought you were someone who knew their history? Cause you sure are not showing it.

Wait should I associated him with Mother Theresa and Jesus. I mean he iis such a humanitarian.. Sorry If I love this country more than you.. and do not want to see it turn into the very thing we are suppose to be stopping... I'm sorry that YOU support Terrorism, and others like you do the same..

Lastly I'm done.. your lack of anything that could be called a rational thought on this topic has been proven in now 15+pages. You have failed to back up your argument, And telling me I am wrong and crazy is not back it up.. Now it seems all that is left is name calling, showing the true intelligence you have.. I will discuss White Sox baseball and other topics with you.. just not this. I don't feel like wasting my time.


I think we have a new candidate for
:tinfoil:

also, i think we have a new person who outranks me in stupidity, i hope myrtle doesnt lose her lusting affection for me :(

[Prope]

I think we have a new candidate for
:tinfoil:

also, i think we have a new person who outranks me in stupidity, i hope myrtle doesnt lose her lusting affection for me :(
I'm just hoping he learns where the teal is.

[SoxEd]

I'm just hoping he learns where the teal is.

I think that you need this little fella to help you:

[SoxEd]

i still say bathory or ed gein

Hon. menshes to Jack the Ripper, Peter Sutcliffe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Sutcliffe), & Denis Nilsen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_nielsen) IMO.

Also, aren't 'They' making a film about the life of Countess Bathory soon?
Or are my rumour-antennae all out of whack again?

EDIT: Yes, 'They' are (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0469640/), and it will star the Very Lovely Anna Friel in the title role.
w00t!

[Doug Simpson]

Why do we have to have favorites.....?

Aren't they all great in their own special way?

[Efilnikufesin]

Hon. menshes to Jack the Ripper, Peter Sutcliffe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Sutcliffe), & Denis Nilsen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_nielsen) IMO.

Also, aren't 'They' making a film about the life of Countess Bathory soon?
Or are my rumour-antennae all out of whack again?

EDIT: Yes, 'They' are (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0469640/), and it will star the Very Lovely Anna Friel in the title role.
w00t!


That is one movie I would go and see.. I love the story around that.

[StockdaleforVeep]

Hon. menshes to Jack the Ripper, Peter Sutcliffe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Sutcliffe), & Denis Nilsen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_nielsen) IMO.

Also, aren't 'They' making a film about the life of Countess Bathory soon?
Or are my rumour-antennae all out of whack again?

EDIT: Yes, 'They' are (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0469640/), and it will star the Very Lovely Anna Friel in the title role.
w00t!


isnt jack the ripper tech a myth?

[fquaye14ten]

no

[1951Campbell]

isnt jack the ripper tech a myth?

He's real, but if I remember correctly, there may be some controversy about attributing the proper amount of victims to him.

[fquaye14ten]

copycats and what not. nevertheless

[StockdaleforVeep]

You're thinking of the Wandering Jew. That's a myth.

http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/images1/apr22_wand_jew1_sm.gif
*breathing

[Efilnikufesin]

He's real, but if I remember correctly, there may be some controversy about attributing the proper amount of victims to him.

There was a book I read about 2 years ago.. god awful, in it the author takes what can be summed up in about 100pages and drags in on for about 400, but in it she tells of the man who is claimed to be the real jack the ripper.

This is the book (http://www.amazon.com/Portrait-Killer-Ripper-Closed-Berkley/dp/0425192733/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-9737033-2341566?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1173069105&sr=8-1)

The issue is with him.. there could have been so many copycats and police work so shitty.. we may never know who he really was or how many he actually killed.

[maurice]

Taking funds away takes body armor and other protection for soldiers to do the job.

No, it doesn't. Heck, Iraq has been extremely highly funded the entire time, but the DOD still failed to get proper armor to the soldiers in a timely manner. The two issues are not connected.

Cutting (not reducing) funding for the Iraq campaign would force a withdrawal, 'cause it costs a boatload of extra money simply to station troops there. Such is the power of the purse.

[fquaye14ten]

There was a book I read about 2 years ago.. god awful, in it the author takes what can be summed up in about 100pages and drags in on for about 400, but in it she tells of the man who is claimed to be the real jack the ripper.

This is the book (http://www.amazon.com/Portrait-Killer-Ripper-Closed-Berkley/dp/0425192733/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-9737033-2341566?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1173069105&sr=8-1)

The issue is with him.. there could have been so many copycats and police work so shitty.. we may never know who he really was or how many he actually killed.

I think the movie "From Hell" is the actual facts. Johnny Depp proved it, I think, in a piece of writing called the Warren Report which he testified in the McCarthy Trials

[Pick a name, Buddy]

I can't believe I missed this thread.

I'm bumping it so I don't have to go all the way back to page 41 later when I have time to read through it and comment....

[soxwon]

Sadamn hussein gets my vote.

[Longshot7]

I vote for Richard Speck- he's an Illinois guy.

Also, I worked on the Gacy movie - man that was AWFUL.

[SABRSox]

I can't believe I missed this thread.

I'm bumping it so I don't have to go all the way back to page 41 later when I have time to read through it and comment....
I should infract you for this bump.

[Pick a name, Buddy]

Feel free if that is the rule :shrug:

Fuller Schettman added 29 Minutes and 39 Seconds later...

The serial killers that always struck me most were the ones that got away such as Zodiac, and The Ripper and killers caught long after their crimes passed, such as The Green River Killer and BTK.

I also am fascinated by people that are just off the charts, like Arthur Shawcross, Richard Ramirez, Bernardo/Homolka, Henry Lee Lucas and Ottis Toole and Dean Corll and Charles Albright.

I used to spend hours at the old Crime Library reading everything I could about these people. The one individual that I would never want to come across is definitely Ramirez.

[fquaye14ten]

To be able to say that Richard Ramirez is probably THE most insane of all serial killers is indeed saying something.

And it would be quite realistic to say that. What a fucking nutjob.

One thing constantly interesting to me is how serial killers almost ALL get love letters from adoring lady-friends. Says something about America's obsession with celebrity....or at least those little chickadees' obsession with

[thewalkoffshot]

I vote for Richard Speck- he's an Illinois guy.

Also, I worked on the Gacy movie - man that was AWFUL.

I enjoyed this movie, but it was pretty crappy from a "evidence" point. The professor my girlfriend does research for was a detective on the case and dug up bodies. The stories he tells about the case are frightening.

But good work on the movie.

[maurice]

Richard Speck wasn't a serial killer.

[spiffie]

Ed Gein wasn't just a serial killer, he was a fucking artisan. He gets my vote.

[Longshot7]

Richard Speck wasn't a serial killer.

I guess technically he was a mass murderer.

He told doctors at Silver Cross when they brought him in, "It hurts when I breathe." They promptly told him, "Well, stop breathing."



My mom works for the Will County coroner so I know all kinds of interesting death stories esp about Speck & Gacy.

[Ziggy]

Albert Fish was the worst serial murderer ever. He was an old man cannibal of kids and he liked to spank himself with spikes, eat shit, and drink piss. He gets my vote.

[Pick a name, Buddy]

Richard Speck wasn't a serial killer.

Speck definitely falls into the category of "spree murderers". Others would include Alton Coleman and Charles Starkweather.

[spiffie]

Speck definitely falls into the category of "spree murderers". Others would include Alton Coleman and Charles Starkweather.
Would that be the same category or slightly different than the "crazy-ass gunman" group like Charlie Whitman and Jimbo Huberty or the ones at NIU and VTU?

[GaelicSoxFan]

I roll with Jack The Ripper.

[GaelicSoxFan]

To Gordon Lightfoot:

:lemmy:

[GaelicSoxFan]

I don't think fapping is allowed in the library.

[Pick a name, Buddy]

Would that be the same category or slightly different than the "crazy-ass gunman" group like Charlie Whitman and Jimbo Huberty or the ones at NIU and VTU?

You could classify them there, but they could also go under the newly-minted assignation of "School/Workplace Killers"

[fquaye14ten]

the definition, i think, of a spree is that people are killed in more than one location in a short amount of time.

Mass murder would be a bunch of people killed in one place.

I don't know about spree though--does it have to, like, be in one sitting--as it were--to be a spree? I mean, can we really say Starkweather went on a killing spree, since he sometimes went days between kills? I mean he's clearly not a serial killer, at least in terms of how we understand serial killers. Or maybe he is? I dunno. Does it even matter? Probably.

[Pick a name, Buddy]

From Wiki:

A spree killer, also known as a rampage killer, is someone who embarks on a murderous assault on his victims in a short time in multiple locations. The U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics defines a spree killing as "killings at two or more locations with almost no time break between murders." Serial killers are different in that they have cooling off periods between attacks, while mass murderers typically stick to one location.

Fuller Schettman added 17 Minutes and 43 Seconds later...

I personally feel this is the most heinous spree killing I have ever read about, probably because the story is told in such vivid and chilling detail.

The Wichita Massacre (http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/classics/carr_brothers/index.html)