Lets discuss why england sucks

[StockdaleforVeep]

Bad dental

next

[CaptainBallz]

detestable red coats.

[1951Campbell]

This thread sucks.

[Unregistered]

Shitty food?

Shitty weather?

Other than that, I have no problem with 'em. :shrug:

[StockdaleforVeep]

Their queen looks like a weathered handbag

[zmz]

*anxiously awaits Soxed's arrival to this thread*

[Doug Simpson]

They say, "Cheers".

[Prope]

*anxiously awaits Soxed's arrival to this thread*
*Doing that as well*

[Prope]

We had a blood drive at school today, and for some reason traveling to England recently prevents you from donating blood. What gives?

[maurice]

No written constitution?

I have a feeling that Ed will agree with most of these.

[1951Campbell]

We had a blood drive at school today, and for some reason traveling to England recently prevents you from donating blood. What gives?

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/153/501981~28-Days-Later-Posters.jpg

[fquaye14ten]

british people are assholes

[the fluffer]

Soccer.

Closed.

[StockdaleforVeep]

Soccer.

Closed.

http://www.ratemyhat.co.uk/chavs.jpg

NOW CLOSED

USA USA USA USA

[the fluffer]

who wears a dark blue sweatsuit.. with WHITE tennis shows?? Who are these guys?? A bunch of Jerry Seinfelds?

[StockdaleforVeep]

who wears a dark blue sweatsuit.. with WHITE tennis shows?? Who are these guys?? A bunch of Jerry Seinfelds?

Chavs

[fquaye14ten]

spivvs

[Myrtle]

I'm looking forward to Ed's reply to this thread.

[Unregistered]

I'm looking forward to Ed's reply to this thread.

Take it, Ed!

[SoxEd]

I'm gonna reply Most of the Above!

I quite like HM the Q (may God bless Her and all who sail in Her), but the chavs are certainly a bloody chore, and our dental health is sub-optimal.

The most shittiest thing about living here is the steenkin' prices - the number of $ you pay for an item we have to pay in £ - and there are almost $2 to every £.
:(

Other things that suck about Merrie England include:

Speed Cameras;

Road pricing;

Ubiquitous CCTV;

the prisons are now actually FULL - and the criminals know this;

the impending imposition of the National Identity Database (don't get me started) :mad: ;

the headlong-rush to turn the Mother of the Free into a dystopian Police State called Blairstrip One;

the gradual rise to suzerainity over the last three decades of the Charmed Circle of Talentless Parasitic Drones;

the fact that all of our national Sports teams flat-out suck - and this is in sports that we invented fercryinoutloud...;

British women;

British men;

British children;

no sod over here knows how to drive in snow any more - so as little as 1" of the white stuff will paralyse the nation's transport 'infrastructure' :o ;

I could go onandonandonandonandon, but I'll stop for now - there'll undoubtedly be more outpourings of English bile later....
:thumbsup:

[JohnBasedowYoda]

Shitty food?

Shitty weather?

Other than that, I have no problem with 'em. :shrug:


I'm down with the english breakfast.

5 different kinds of meat served in a "Pub"....sign me up and give me a Bass. :cool:

[JohnBasedowYoda]

I'm looking forward to Ed's reply to this thread.


You were? WOW!


Thanks for sharing:rolleyes:

[StockdaleforVeep]

I'm gonna reply Most of the Above!

I quite like HM the Q (may God bless Her and all who sail in Her), but the chavs are certainly a bloody chore, and our dental health is sub-optimal.

The most shittiest thing about living here is the steenkin' prices - the number of $ you pay for an item we have to pay in £ - and there are almost $2 to every £.
:(

Other things that suck about Merrie England include:

Speed Cameras;

Road pricing;

Ubiquitous CCTV;

the prisons are now actually FULL - and the criminals know this;

the impending imposition of the National Identity Database (don't get me started) :mad: ;

the headlong-rush to turn the Mother of the Free into a dystopian Police State called Blairstrip One;

the gradual rise to suzerainity over the last three decades of the Charmed Circle of Talentless Parasitic Drones;

the fact that all of our national Sports teams flat-out suck - and this is in sports that we invented fercryinoutloud...;

British women;

British men;

British children;

no sod over here knows how to drive in snow any more - so as little as 1" of the white stuff will paralyse the nation's transport 'infrastructure' :o ;

I could go onandonandonandonandon, but I'll stop for now - there'll undoubtedly be more outpourings of English bile later....
:thumbsup:


You call your fuel petrol

[fquaye14ten]

sox ed's long posts

[StockdaleforVeep]

sox ed

[maurice]

the prisons are now actually FULL - and the criminals know this

Our prisons were full many years ago, but we just kept shoving people in there.
:shrug:

[StockdaleforVeep]

Our prisons were full many years ago, but we just kept shoving people in there.
:shrug:

Its to prevent this
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v165/misawa4life/grouppic.jpg

[fquaye14ten]

oh stockdale...

[Myrtle]

oh stockdale...

Yeah, Stockdale is kind of a pud. He tried to tell me a few minutes ago that South Africa is racist against white people. :hello:

[StockdaleforVeep]

Deny that the govt is aiding the violence and not stopping afrikaners from being murdered

[SoxEd]

sox ed's long posts

It's a fair cop....

[Shrugs shoulders, and sits on ye Ducking Stoole]

[SoxEd]

Deny that the govt is aiding the violence and not stopping afrikaners from being murdered

Isn't the govt. of SA not stopping anyone from being murdered?

[Prope]

So uhh, what's going on in South Africa?

[Myrtle]

So uhh, what's going on in South Africa?

They lived in an Apartheid government system for a long time where the White minority (about 10%) had control over everything and the "Colored" and "Black" people were kind of fucked, the Black people more so than the Colored (Colored there is kind of like mixed of some kind). There was all kinds of violence and killing done by the government and then enforced strict racist policies of separation between the different races of people. The Blacks had no means to fight back politically because they did not have the right to vote or any sort of political power, so there was a huge revolution and tons of killing/raping/assaulting/etc (done by the government to individuals who were protesting, mind you) in the 80's and 90's. In 1994, Mandela was released from prison and elected the first democratic president of South Africa.

There's still tons of social racism and division between the different races in South Africa; however, it has incredibly improved since Mandela became president and Apartheid government was abolished.

So, in short, my point is, Stockdale is completely wrong.

[StockdaleforVeep]

They lived in an Apartheid government system for a long time where the White minority (about 10%) had control over everything and the "Colored" and "Black" people were kind of fucked, the Black people more so than the Colored (Colored there is kind of like mixed of some kind). There was all kinds of violence and killing done by the government and then enforced strict racist policies of separation between the different races of people. The Blacks had no means to fight back politically because they did not have the right to vote or any sort of political power, so there was a huge revolution and tons of killing/raping/assaulting/etc (done by the government to individuals who were protesting, mind you) in the 80's and 90's. In 1994, Mandela was released from prison and elected the first democratic president of South Africa.

There's still tons of social racism and division between the different races in South Africa; however, it has incredibly improved since Mandela became president and Apartheid government was abolished.

So, in short, my point is, Stockdale is completely wrong.

White farmers in zimbabwe and SA are being attacked, raped, and murdered and primarily because they are white, yet the govt does nothing to prevent or stop this. Its also worth noting, where is the logic in killing people who feed your country

[Myrtle]

White farmers in zimbabwe and SA are being attacked, raped, and murdered and primarily because they are white, yet the govt does nothing to prevent or stop this. Its also worth noting, where is the logic in killing people who feed your country

White people did not "free" South Africa, they were the ones who kept them in Apartheid for so long.

And where the hell are you hearing that white farmers in South Africa are being attacked, raped, and murdered?

[StockdaleforVeep]

White people did not "free" South Africa, they were the ones who kept them in Apartheid for so long.

And where the hell are you hearing that white farmers in South Africa are being attacked, raped, and murdered?

Two wrongs dont make a right

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=23871
http://www.africancrisis.org/photos45.asp
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/africa/article303262.ece

[BFC]

Two wrongs dont make a right

Yes but ***************

[CaptainBallz]

Stockdale rules because he's always for the little guy...




... as long as he's white.

[Myrtle]

Two wrongs dont make a right

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=23871
http://www.africancrisis.org/photos45.asp
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/africa/article303262.ece

Wow, those sources are pretty fucked up and completely skewing the actual events. :jagoff:

[Prope]

They lived in an Apartheid government system for a long time.......
See I knew all of that, I thought something was going on as we speak that I had not heard about or missed somewhere in the paper/on the news. My bad
So, in short, my point is, Stockdale is completely wrong.
http://sc.tri-bit.com/images/a/a6/Captain_obvious.jpg

EDIT: Tag that shit.

[Myrtle]

See I knew all of that, I thought something was going on as we speak that I had not heard about or missed somewhere in the paper/on the news. My bad

No, Stockdale is just an idiot.

[Prope]

Two wrongs dont make a right

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=23871
http://www.africancrisis.org/photos45.asp
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/africa/article303262.ece
The last link you provide might be the only one worth a damn. The first one might be alright, but when it has an add saying, "Re-defeat Communism," with a picture of Hillary Clinton, my guess is that the writing is a little skewed.

[StockdaleforVeep]

The last link you provide might be the only one worth a damn. The first one might be alright, but when it has an add saying, "Re-defeat Communism," with a picture of Hillary Clinton, my guess is that the writing is a little skewed.

So you also dont trust .orgs and only the brits?

[StockdaleforVeep]

Stockdale rules because he's always for the little guy...




... as long as he's white.

I like basketball

[CaptainBallz]

I like basketball

My theory lies in tatters before me....

[Prope]

So you also dont trust .orgs and only the brits?
I haven't gone in-depth into the second one yet. Reports will follow.

[maurice]

Two wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.

S Africa is so dangerous that people "pimp" their cars with flame throwers to stop car jackings.

[StockdaleforVeep]

Two wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.

S Africa is so dangerous that people "pimp" their cars with flame throwers to stop car jackings.

why havent i been told about this sooner?!?! :eek:

[MSquad]

Stockdale is far more right than wrong about South Africa. All white farms are subject to be expropriated by 2008/09. South Africa is now a net exporter of food, just like Zimbabwe was until recently. With murder and rape rates out of control, a disastrously large AIDS epidemic, and a farm policy that will create starvation, what sane person would want to live there?

[StockdaleforVeep]

Stockdale is far more right than wrong about South Africa. All white farms are subject to be expropriated by 2008/09. South Africa is now a net exporter of food, just like Zimbabwe was until recently. With murder and rape rates out of control, a disastrously large AIDS epidemic, and a farm policy that will create starvation, what sane person would want to live there?

TAG THIS, BAG THIS, VICTORY IT

[Myrtle]

Two wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.

S Africa is so dangerous that people "pimp" their cars with flame throwers to stop car jackings.

Now, THAT is a complete exaggeration. South Africa, specially Cape Town, is much safer than many other African countries/cities. Johannesburg being the shithole of the bottom half of Africa right now.

[maurice]

Now, THAT is a complete exaggeration.

I'm not adverse to making shit up, but even I am not good enough to invent the flame thrower thing.

http://www.frost.com/prod/servlet/cio/3465764

[maurice]

Google + "south africa flame car jacking" = 30,800 hits.

[Myrtle]

Google + "south africa flame car jacking" = 30,800 hits.

And WHEN exactly was that? Before or after 1994?

[maurice]

I'm not going to click 30,800 links, but the 1st article and the picture are from 2003.

[Myrtle]

I'm not going to click 30,800 links, but the 1st article and the picture are from 2003.

:(

Anyway, I do admit there is still a great deal of racism and tension between the people in South Africa, but the violence has come down significantly and is no longer endorsed by the government. South Africa has shown such a dramatic change in their society over the last 2o-30 years and I'll be dammed if people buy into stupid media hype of violence. :soapbox:

[Prope]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=23871
Ok, so this first article was posted on August 1, 2001. Gee, I'm so glad it was updated. :rolleyes:
Anyways, like I expected, this credible source you have provided us is packed with independent, unbiased thinkers such as...
Pat Buchanan, David Limbaugh, Dennis Prager (I actually listen to, and enjoy his radio program), Ann Coulter, Judge Roy Moore (wait, hasn't he been disbarred?), Pat Boone, Jerry Falwell, and Alan Keyes. Can't imagine how many of these people would think about whites being killed.
http://www.africancrisis.org/photos45.asp
Alright, well first we at least have an updated site. First article I clicked on was, "Mandela brought crime to South Africa." All of the authors charts go to 1997 and I'll agree that based on the charts, crime was trending upwards. When he has the stats up to 2005, however, EVERY SINGLE category was trending downward. So exactly what was the authors point?

Every other link I clicked on gave me, "Microsoft JET Database Engine error." You sure seem to have your act/argument together there Stocks.
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/africa/article303262.ece
Third paragraph says, "The South African government has set a target of voluntarily transferring 30 per cent of productive farmland from whites to previously disadvantaged blacks by 2014." 30% of the land, voluntary transfer....sounds awful.

Although, to be fair that is what the government says. That article discusses transfer of land, and touches on Zimbabwe. The only thing that mentions a hint of violence is this, "...forced land expropriation after a government land summit called for a "fast-track" programme of redistribution."

An article from 2001, a website with links that do not work, and an article from the Independent that hints at violence is hardly a great argument.

[Prope]

Anyway, I do admit there is still a great deal of racism and tension between the people in South Africa, but the violence has come down significantly and is no longer endorsed by the government. South Africa has shown such a dramatic change in their society over the last 2o-30 years and I'll be dammed if people buy into stupid media hype of violence.
I'll admit that as well, and it is not just in South Africa, but all throughout the entire continent.

[MSquad]

:(

Anyway, I do admit there is still a great deal of racism and tension between the people in South Africa, but the violence has come down significantly and is no longer endorsed by the government. South Africa has shown such a dramatic change in their society over the last 2o-30 years and I'll be dammed if people buy into stupid media hype of violence. :soapbox: Your naivete is stunning. You're letting your politics make you a pollyanna. Just because apartheid was an evil system doesn't mean the clowns who now run that nation are any better. What's happening in Sub Sahara Africa may be the tragedy to end all tragedies. PC feel good policies prevent people from even acknowledging it, for fear of being called racist. It's very easy to be called a racist these days. Once you're damned with that label, it's permanent. Talk to someone who's been to South Africa, who lives in South Africa, who's left South Africa. Or you could do a little research of your own. Here's a start.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita

Things are not well in South Africa, no matter what you post. It's going the way of Zimbabwe, and that will be a tragedy, not only for South Africa, but for anyone who wishes the continent of Africa well.

[Myrtle]

Your naivete is stunning. You're letting your politics make you a pollyanna. Just because apartheid was an evil system doesn't mean the clowns who now run that nation are any better. What's happening in Sub Sahara Africa may be the tragedy to end all tragedies. PC feel good policies prevent people from even acknowledging it, for fear of being called racist. It's very easy to be called a racist these days. Once you're damned with that label, it's permanent. Talk to someone who's been to South Africa, who lives in South Africa, who's left South Africa. Or you could do a little research of your own. Here's a start.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita

Things are not well in South Africa, no matter what you post. It's going the way of Zimbabwe, and that will be a tragedy, not only for South Africa, but for anyone who wishes the continent of Africa well.

I am hardly naieve, I am going to South Africa in three weeks to work at a rape crisis center there and have been studying to go on this trip for an entire semester, I've been talking with women from South Africa for the last year in an exchange program at my school and I've been studying in detail the effects of the domestic labor market on women and the lives of families in villages just outside of Cape Town. So, don't tell me I don't know anything about what it's like to be in South Africa.

I'll be able to give you a more detailed answer to this in June when I come back after having spent a month there working with victims of rape and sexual assault.

My point is, SOUTH AFRICA is not particularly dangerous right now compared to how it used to be. I am not talking about the rest of Africa because my knowledge of those countries is pretty limited. Of course there is violence and huge amounts of racism that exist long after Apartheid was abandoned. But the work that is going on to fix these problems is absolutely amazing. South Africa has shown such an incredible turn around in just the last 30 years in terms of social structure and government. Of course there is a long way to go, but this country is particularly interesting because of these remarkable changes.

[MSquad]

I am hardly naieve, I am going to South Africa in three weeks to work at a rape crisis center there and have been studying to go on this trip for an entire semester, I've been talking with women from South Africa for the last year in an exchange program at my school and I've been studying in detail the effects of the domestic labor market on women and the lives of families in villages just outside of Cape Town. So, don't tell me I don't know anything about what it's like to be in South Africa.

I'll be able to give you a more detailed answer to this in June when I come back after having spent a month there working with victims of rape and sexual assault.

My point is, SOUTH AFRICA is not particularly dangerous right now compared to how it used to be. I am not talking about the rest of Africa because my knowledge of those countries is pretty limited. Of course there is violence and huge amounts of racism that exist long after Apartheid was abandoned. But the work that is going on to fix these problems is absolutely amazing. South Africa has shown such an incredible turn around in just the last 30 years in terms of social structure and government. Of course there is a long way to go, but this country is particularly interesting because of these remarkable changes. I humbly applaud your efforts and hope that end up being right in your assessment.

[SoxEd]

My point is, SOUTH AFRICA is not particularly dangerous right now compared to how it used to be.

Isn't Jo'burg the murder capital of the world?

I wish you every success in your trip to the RSA, and hope that you are safe over there.

Where is it that you'll be going?

[Myrtle]

Isn't Jo'burg the murder capital of the world?

I wish you every success in your trip to the RSA, and hope that you are safe over there.

Where is it that you'll be going?

Yes, "Jo'burg" is pretty fucking shitty. I don't deny that there are parts of South Africa that are fucked up, but I do deny that it's as awful as people make it out to be. The media hypes every possible negative aspect of that country and gives everyone a false impression that it's some kind of death trap in a constant state of violence. It used to be and it is still pretty violent, but not nearly as awful as it was about 20 years ago. The changes there have just begun but are completely remarkable... more of a transformation than any other country I am aware of.

And I'll be in Cape Town for most of my trip, which is a relatively safe area. We've taken plenty of measures in ensuring our safety and well-being, I'm not in the least worried about it. We're going to take a weekend trip into a rural part of the country up the east coast line, gonna do some chillin' at the beaches by the Indian Ocean (neat!). For the most part, though, I'll be working in Cape Town. Considering I'm trying to get a Social Work degree, I think this trip and the rape crisis center, are probably the best opportunity I could have right now.

:)

[StockdaleforVeep]

My point is, SOUTH AFRICA is not particularly dangerous right now compared to how it used to be.


Detroit and new york arent the murder capitals of the nation but i still dont wanna visit there, nor do i think they are safe

[StockdaleforVeep]

Your naivete is stunning. You're letting your politics make you a pollyanna. Just because apartheid was an evil system doesn't mean the clowns who now run that nation are any better. What's happening in Sub Sahara Africa may be the tragedy to end all tragedies. PC feel good policies prevent people from even acknowledging it, for fear of being called racist. It's very easy to be called a racist these days. Once you're damned with that label, it's permanent. Talk to someone who's been to South Africa, who lives in South Africa, who's left South Africa. Or you could do a little research of your own. Here's a start.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita

Things are not well in South Africa, no matter what you post. It's going the way of Zimbabwe, and that will be a tragedy, not only for South Africa, but for anyone who wishes the continent of Africa well.

Poetry.....msquad is all i strive to say in any rant

[samram]

Yes, "Jo'burg" is pretty fucking shitty. I don't deny that there are parts of South Africa that are fucked up, but I do deny that it's as awful as people make it out to be. The media hypes every possible negative aspect of that country and gives everyone a false impression that it's some kind of death trap in a constant state of violence. It used to be and it is still pretty violent, but not nearly as awful as it was about 20 years ago. The changes there have just begun but are completely remarkable... more of a transformation than any other country I am aware of.

And I'll be in Cape Town for most of my trip, which is a relatively safe area. We've taken plenty of measures in ensuring our safety and well-being, I'm not in the least worried about it. We're going to take a weekend trip into a rural part of the country up the east coast line, gonna do some chillin' at the beaches by the Indian Ocean (neat!). For the most part, though, I'll be working in Cape Town. Considering I'm trying to get a Social Work degree, I think this trip and the rape crisis center, are probably the best opportunity I could have right now.

:)

Good luck over there. SA has a lot of sharks in those waters, at least according to Animal Planet and Discovery Channel (by the way, is anyone else watching the Planet Earth thing on DC? It's incredible.), so be careful.

[Myrtle]

Good luck over there. SA has a lot of sharks in those waters, at least according to Animal Planet and Discovery Channel (by the way, is anyone else watching the Planet Earth thing on DC? It's incredible.), so be careful.

Thanks! The Discovery channel also tells me they also have a lot of penguins that wander around the city. I wanna see some penguins! :rock:

[CaptainBallz]

Detroit and new york arent the murder capitals of the nation but i still dont wanna visit there, nor do i think they are safe

Are you serious!?


Are you a soccer mom or something??

[Myrtle]

Are you serious!?


Are you a soccer mom or something??

Pssst... he's afraid of all the "black people."

[CaptainBallz]

Pssst... he's afraid of all the "black people."

Stockdale in his natural state:

http://www.fotosearch.com/comp/BDX/BDX457/BXP204888.jpg

[1951Campbell]

Murders per capita by nation:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita

:omg:

[1951Campbell]

Detroit and new york arent the murder capitals of the nation but i still dont wanna visit there, nor do i think they are safe

Just as I suspected, you were right about Detriot and wrong about New York:

(Washington, DC) Washington, DC is once again the nation’s ‘Murder Capital,” according to a new study released today, and reported about on local ABC Channel 7.


The study can be found online here:

http://www.safestreetsdc.com/subpages/murdercap.html


The study, conducted by SafeStreetsDC.com (www.SafeStreetsDC.com), a public safety watchdog group, compared the annual number of murders per 100,000 residents in American cities with populations greater than 500,000. This was the same standard used to determine DC’s previous rank as murder capital. In compiling the data, the group relied on homicide statistics from the FBI and police department homicide units from around the country.


According to the numbers, DC outranked all major cities, and is again the nation’s “murder capital.”


Immediately following DC on the list were Detroit (the winner in 2001), Baltimore, Memphis, Chicago and Philadelphia (in that order).


Other notable rankings included: Los Angeles (9), Dallas (10), Boston (18), San Francisco (24), and New York (25). Last on the list was Honolulu, ranked 32d with only 18 murders, in spite of its population of nearly 900,000.

[Myrtle]

Murders per capita by nation:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita

:omg:

I'm not comparing South Africa to other nations, I'm comparing it to itself 20 years ago.

[maurice]

Just as I suspected, you were right about Detriot and wrong about New York:

I don't trust the NY stats. They claim that every homicide is counted as a "murder," yet their 2001 total was about 2,800 short.

[StockdaleforVeep]

I don't trust the NY stats. They claim that every homicide is counted as a "murder," yet their 2001 total was about 2,800 short.

Also my comment was in jest

I have no desire to visit the cesspools of ny or det but its the stereotype\one time standing that they were violent areas. I wanan say a report came out stating a city in new jersey is the most deadly now

[maurice]

The latest innovative anti-crime device from South Africa (http://blog.wired.com/defense/2007/04/rapestoppers_ra.html):
http://blog.wired.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/04/10/rapestop1.jpg
:eek:

[Reni]

England doesn't suck for the mere fact that the House of Commons broadcasts, weekly, their grilling of the Prime Minister. Of course, ol' Tony usually holds his own pretty well and has to actually engage in active, intelligent dialogue with people who don't agree with him.....I always watch it on C-Span.

I wish we could have something even remotely similar in this nation.

[Unregistered]

England doesn't suck for the mere fact that the House of Commons broadcasts, weekly, their grilling of the Prime Minister. Of course, ol' Tony usually holds his own pretty well and has to actually engage in active, intelligent dialogue with people who don't agree with him.....I always watch it on C-Span.

I wish we could have something even remotely similar in this nation.

Bush wouldn't last 2 minutes without a prepared speech in his hand.

[CaptainBallz]

Bush wouldn't last 2 minutes without a prepared speech in his hand.

...or a prepared audience.

[Reni]

oh, I totally agree - though it would be great to watch him squirm in his pants on a weekly basis......and we would have even more concrete evidence to his ineptitude.

[JohnBasedowYoda]

Remember when he tried opening that door that was locked?


Ohhh that was classic.

[1951Campbell]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/6524495.stm

[StockdaleforVeep]

Bush wouldn't last 2 minutes without a prepared speech in his hand.

What American politician can or does?

[fquaye14ten]

um...clinton?

[Doug Simpson]

the rolling stones
the kinks
the clash
the buzzcocks
the smiths
the libertines
the blur
the oasis
the stone roses
the pulp
the killers (wait they're not british?)
the cure
the new order
the joy of the division
the david bowie man
the elvis costello guy
the cream
the zeppelin
the faces
the rod stewart (SCAWTISH?)
the Queen
the roxy music
the who?
the arctic monkeys
the dirty pretty things
the babyshambles
the jam
the wire
the damned
the stiff little fingers (irish)

[samram]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article1654994.ece

Good to see the police over there have become a revenue function instead of a law enforcement function, just like on this side of the pond.